Limitless Podcast

Josh:
It's been a while since we've had an opportunity to talk about the Game of Thrones

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within the AI wars, the employees stealing, the co-founders leaving.

Josh:
And this week, we have a lot of news coming out of the world of ex-AI,

Josh:
who has now had five out of their eight total co-founders leave,

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two more just in the last week, and a seeming huge exodus of people who are leaving the company.

Josh:
In addition to that, we have this brand new video model that is indistinguishable

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from reality called Seedance 2.

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It's from China, and it has no regard for copyright, which makes it the best

Josh:
video model in the world and that also leads us to our other topics which are

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going to be ai safety in general and is this going to take your jobs the dumeristic

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take that now has what like 50 million views it's the most viewed article in

Josh:
the world so we have a lot to get through today let's start with the xai exodus so

Ejaaz:
For the game of thrones fans out there um you'll be familiar with the episode

Ejaaz:
titled the red wedding where uh the plot twist sorry for those of you have watched

Ejaaz:
it is everyone gets murdered pretty much.

Ejaaz:
And scrolling through my timeline this week, it felt like that people were getting

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fired and let go left and right.

Ejaaz:
And the main culprit was XAI, who ended up riffing or laying off 50% of their team.

Ejaaz:
But the story unfolded as such. I've got an example on our screen here from

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Jimmy Barr, which is one of the eight co-founders that you mentioned from XAI last day at XAI today.

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And he goes on to explain about how he's so grateful to elon the

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mission and i then scrolled a bit more and

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i was like tony woo is also another co-founder of xai

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and he's also residing today within hours of that previous post i was like what

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is going on and this there was no context or anything given there were like

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senior engineers that then like within a day of that such as chase lee over

Ejaaz:
here that was saying the same thing and then the news was revealed by elon musk himself.

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That XAI was reorganized a few days ago. And he goes on to say,

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to improve the speed of execution, as a company grows, especially as quickly

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as XAI, the structure must evolve just like any living organism.

Ejaaz:
And this is, of course, in the aftermath of the news that XAI and SpaceX are merging.

Ejaaz:
Now, the idea behind this, as he explained in a town hall,

Ejaaz:
was that as XAI scales to a much larger company than a two and a half year old

Ejaaz:
startup that it is today, it requires a different skill set and expertise,

Ejaaz:
maybe a more corporate profile to be able to kind of scale to the masses.

Ejaaz:
Remember, like XAI owns X, they're facilitating like, you know,

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hundreds of millions of users every single day.

Ejaaz:
It takes a different kind of brain and engineer to be able to scale that forwards.

Ejaaz:
And that was his reasoning behind doing this. This isn't the first time Elon has done this.

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He has riffed some of his most famous companies very early on,

Ejaaz:
Tesla and Starlink, and they actually went exponentially upwards afterwards.

Ejaaz:
So I think I'm pacified at this point and calm knowing that Elon's probably

Ejaaz:
going to pull off a miracle somehow.

Josh:
Yeah, I was actually really nervous seeing the news prior to watching the all-hands

Josh:
because it seemed like there were two co-founders and like 10 employees that

Josh:
were all leaving at the same time and it didn't make any sense.

Josh:
After watching the all-hands, it became a little bit more clear.

Josh:
Elon actually went on stage to discuss this a little bit more at length where

Josh:
he just said, this is a reorg, this happens and this has happened in the past

Josh:
like you mentioned with SpaceX and Tesla.

Josh:
Very famously happened at x already where they cut like

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90 of the workforce and what i found amazing

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is nikita beer he was on stage in this all hands but he was also

Josh:
he also did a separate podcast that i listened to where he

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spoke about what it's like to be an engineer at x currently and

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how the the engineering team responsible for the application is

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about 30 people which is unbelievable because at

Josh:
a large company like meta to ship a single feature

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takes about 30 people in six months and the entire

Josh:
engineering team is 30 people so elon likes his

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companies flat he likes people with a lot of leverage in fact

Josh:
he split up xai into like what five divisions in the all

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hands and each one only reports to two people and that's the

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whole company yeah there's maybe 10 to 15 managers

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the rest are all working very closely together it's a

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flat organization flat structure and they're just going to move fast with this

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new this new group and i hope that it was a mutual decision and that there isn't

Josh:
talent leak out of xai and i guess unless you're there there's no way to tell

Josh:
but this seems less worrisome after hearing the explanation as to why i

Ejaaz:
Like with all of elon's it just seems like uh the density of intensity per employee is that a.

Josh:
Metric we can track i like that density intensity yeah yeah

Ejaaz:
Is incredibly high um on that same interview that you mentioned about Nikita,

Ejaaz:
he was asked, how did you get the job?

Ejaaz:
And he said Elon tasked him with redesigning the entire onboarding flow.

Ejaaz:
So that is sign up, onboarding and using X from scratch in 48 hours.

Ejaaz:
And if he failed, he wouldn't have got the job. And he delivered on it and ended up getting the job.

Ejaaz:
But it's just like, normally that would take a company like months,

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quarterly kind of discussions to kind of figure out. Just insane.

Ejaaz:
Some of the other highlights from this town hall, state of the art Grok coding

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in two to three months. Now, I must stress, this is an Elon prediction.

Ejaaz:
They haven't shipped a new Frontier model in seven months. Seven months ago

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was when Grok 4 released.

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Since then, we haven't really had any major iterations. Since then,

Ejaaz:
we've had six other major Frontier AI releases from their competitors.

Ejaaz:
GPT 5.3, Codex, Claude, Opus 4.5, and 6.

Ejaaz:
So XAI has kind of been lagging behind, but the user metrics are up only.

Ejaaz:
New users are engaging with the app 55% more than they were six months ago.

Ejaaz:
So engagement is on the up, but the AI models have kind of been slow on the

Ejaaz:
software side. But Josh, you mentioned before we recorded this,

Ejaaz:
actually, that they have the hardware mode.

Josh:
Yes, so we need to...

Josh:
Be careful at how we say that

Josh:
they're behind because on a software side they're absolutely behind

Josh:
seven months may as well be seven years i'm not sure

Josh:
anyone uses grok outside of using it within the

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x experience anymore it's just so far outdated but it

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appears as if the hardware front is actually moving very very

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rapidly it seems like now they have the largest coherent

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cluster of h100 equivalent gpus which is

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fast for those who don't know the specific metrics

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it's basically the fastest in the world and they're they're

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building out these things at a very rapid rate and i

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think what we know xai for is their ability to deploy hardware quick

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and it sounds like they're doing that the true test

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will come when they release their future models like we'll

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see if they release grok 4.2 and it's like

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kind of not that great that's probably a telltale sign that

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things aren't going so well but we're really going to need to wait till a new

Josh:
model comes out to see what they've been cooking up over seven months because

Josh:
like you mentioned they work at a very high intensity one has to imagine that

Josh:
there's something really impressive to show at the end of seven months so i

Josh:
hope they come out with that coding models that'll be great but again we're

Josh:
on elon's timelines which are um tentative at best and

Ejaaz:
Then they have some news about uh a moon-based catapult what is this.

Josh:
Is that crazy they have like a social media presentation for for x followed

Josh:
by the moon-based alpha plan to colonize uh the moon

Josh:
It's like a really eccentric company here, but they are going to do it.

Josh:
The plan now, for those not familiar, is to pivot from Mars to the moon.

Josh:
Instead of sending humans to Mars first, they're going to send people to the

Josh:
moon. They're going to plan to establish a small little colony of people.

Josh:
They're going to build a small little base. And the idea of the mesh driver

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is that they're going to just build AI data centers at scale in space.

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The moon has a lot of materials like silicon that are required to make these

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things at scale. So what they're going to do is build a little factory,

Josh:
create the AI data centers on

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the moon, and then ship them off into outer space using this mass driver.

Josh:
And it's about as sci-fi as it gets.

Ejaaz:
And the funniest part is he's planning to establish that kind of moon settlement

Ejaaz:
within five years from now.

Ejaaz:
Which I just think is an insane, I don't know how long it's been since a human

Ejaaz:
has been on the moon, but it's been a while.

Ejaaz:
But in other news, Josh, did you catch the recent new Breaking Bad teaser?

Josh:
Oh my gosh, wait, this is insane. Look at this video on screen right now.

Josh:
This is Walter White, right? This is the main character. I haven't seen Breaking

Josh:
Bad, but this is, like, as someone who hasn't seen Breaking Bad,

Josh:
I would have imagined 100% with 100% certainty that this clip was from the show.

Josh:
It is the most hyper-realistic video model I have ever seen.

Josh:
I mean, look at this. He's beating someone up, throwing them on a counter.

Josh:
It feels indistinguishable from TV.

Josh:
But it's not TV. This is AI generated.

Ejaaz:
Yes. And the model is Seedance 2. It is a video model, Frontier video model,

Ejaaz:
obviously, straight out of China.

Ejaaz:
I don't know what is in the water in China, but they are cooking up the best

Ejaaz:
image and video models for so long now.

Ejaaz:
They've got Kling AI, which released Kling 3 literally last week,

Ejaaz:
which was the Frontier model back then.

Ejaaz:
And I was so impressed. But now Seedance has kind of like come out of nowhere

Ejaaz:
with this, like absolutely pristine video model.

Ejaaz:
And the coolest part about this, Josh, is it's got the grading right.

Ejaaz:
So Breaking Bad was made in, God knows, like the 2010s.

Ejaaz:
And so the camera quality is resemblant of that, which is like super cool.

Ejaaz:
So they've kept the quality, they maintain the quality, the action scenes and sequences for this.

Ejaaz:
Like forget about hiring like a million dollar cameraman or camera setup.

Ejaaz:
You can now just prompt it immediately like using this model Seedance i think

Ejaaz:
right now they're doing like 30 to 60 second clips josh have you been able to

Ejaaz:
get access to the beta i i have no not this.

Josh:
Is driving me absolutely insane so Seedance 2.0 is a chinese model and it is

Josh:
for chinese users only in this like small piece of software that you need a

Josh:
chinese phone number and ip address for and i just for the life of me could

Josh:
not get access and this is the first time where it felt rough to be on the other side of this, right?

Josh:
Because I think what we're seeing here is what happens when you get a blatant

Josh:
disregard for copyright. And it turns out it's pretty awesome.

Josh:
Like we're watching a video now on screen of Kanye West and his Grammy,

Josh:
Kim Kardashian's in it. As we go through these examples, the audio is perfect too.

Josh:
The voice of the characters from

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these videos is excellent. And the visual representations are excellent.

Josh:
I figured what was happening here is they were really just taking copyrighted

Josh:
material and kind of putting their own spin on it.

Josh:
But the reality, I mean, yeah, here's another example with Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise.

Josh:
It looks like a Hollywood action scene, but the reality is this is actually a good video model.

Josh:
I saw examples without celebrities with like actually AI generated characters,

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and it's just as good. So is this better than VO3?

Josh:
Probably, but I have to imagine, or I have to question, what is it leaning on?

Josh:
Does it actually have that understanding of physics or is it just going based

Josh:
off of copyrighted materials?

Josh:
I mean, here we're seeing Seinfeld kick through a wall and I like Seinfeld.

Josh:
I've watched Seinfeld episodes.

Josh:
This looks, like you mentioned, it is entirely color accurate.

Josh:
The voices are accurate. If you listen to them, it sounds just like him.

Josh:
It's an unbelievable video model and it's something that we could only get out of China.

Josh:
Now, the one final point I have on this is how much is this going to be able

Josh:
to hack the social sphere where because they're

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relatable characters because they're people that we know how much more shareable

Josh:
are these clips going to be in something like google probably much more so and

Josh:
it's a really good growth hack for china because they don't have that regard

Josh:
for copyright to inject this into the united states so i imagine once this becomes

Josh:
available for us that might be a problem across social media with copyright yeah

Ejaaz:
I mean the the two most potent things here is one it's a really good model but

Ejaaz:
two like china's just running through a minefield of copyright right now they're

Ejaaz:
they're immune to getting blown up, right?

Ejaaz:
They're in an armored suit because they don't get any repercussions for this.

Ejaaz:
Now, what's the equivalent?

Ejaaz:
If OpenAI's Sora did this, they would be sued to high heaven and they wouldn't

Ejaaz:
have a product by the end of it.

Ejaaz:
So it's kind of like a double-edged sword where it's like you can see how cool

Ejaaz:
this thing could be, but you can't really play with the thing.

Ejaaz:
And China, who isn't kind of reprimandable to any of US laws,

Ejaaz:
can just kind of play with the thing and show us what the future is going to

Ejaaz:
look like. But the quality of these things are insane.

Ejaaz:
But it is entirely fake.

Ejaaz:
I must remind you of that. But do you want to know what actually has been proven not to be fake?

Josh:
Mm hmm.

Josh:
Sounds like if you were a Limitless listener, you got some early intel because we were right.

Ejaaz:
We were right. Right now you're seeing an excerpt from a leaked but then said

Ejaaz:
to be fake news advert of OpenAI's new consumer AI hardware device titled Dime.

Ejaaz:
And as you can see, there's Alexander Skarsgård, famous celebrity,

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demoing and playing around with this kind of futuristic metallic pebble-like

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object. It was immediately dismissed by the president of OpenAI,

Ejaaz:
Greg Brockman, saying it was fake.

Ejaaz:
Every official statement that's come out of OpenAI has said it is fake.

Ejaaz:
But Josh and I did some investigative journalism. We wore a fedora and a trench

Ejaaz:
coat, and we went deep down the weeds.

Ejaaz:
And we concluded by the end of that episode, you should definitely go watch

Ejaaz:
it, by the way, why it was real.

Ejaaz:
And breaking news today, via Morning Brew, Skarsgård's rep has said that it

Ejaaz:
was actually him in the advert. but they couldn't explain why they were in that

Ejaaz:
context doing that advert.

Ejaaz:
So in my opinion, it's been completely proven that we were right.

Ejaaz:
And we were right before this claim was made. FYI.

Josh:
It's interesting, right? Like, so Alexander Skarsgård, this like famous actor,

Josh:
he is officially in it, which confirms that it's not AI, which is crazy that

Josh:
it's a question, because I think a theme for this week is how can you even tell?

Josh:
We look at those Seedance videos. You can't even differentiate between those

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AI videos and real life. How are you going to be able to do that at scale?

Josh:
Turns out with Alexander Skarsgård, at least, this is real, at least according to his manager.

Josh:
So now you have to ask the question, well, who paid for this and what is it?

Josh:
If there was a real celebrity that really recorded this video and a real ad

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that came out of it for a device that looks really similar to OpenAI's,

Josh:
what's going on here? Like, people were paid. The guy, Max Weinbach,

Josh:
who we talked about in the episode earlier this week, he was paid.

Josh:
This guy, Alexander Skarsgård, he was paid for his services. Like, who paid him?

Josh:
Who's responsible for this? Is it OpenAI? Was it this very elaborate scam that

Josh:
convinced his agent to, like, have him film an ad that could be used as a hoax?

Josh:
Maybe. I don't know. And there's really no way to tell. So now that we have

Josh:
more confirmation, I think the story runs even deeper and leaves with even more

Josh:
questions than we did before.

Ejaaz:
All right, Josh, I want to hear your tinfoil hat conspiracy.

Ejaaz:
I'll give you mine so you can think about yours.

Ejaaz:
Mine is, this is a real advert, advertising OpenAI's hardware device,

Ejaaz:
but they pulled it last minute because of two reasons.

Ejaaz:
One, they couldn't figure out the manufacturing process. And we've said this

Ejaaz:
many times on this show that it's one thing creating the thing.

Ejaaz:
It's another thing delivering the thing to 50 million plus people,

Ejaaz:
which is what their plan target was within the first year. That's a different ballgame.

Ejaaz:
And they realize, oh, it's too hot and hard to do.

Ejaaz:
Number two, I think they've seen Google, Meta, and a bunch of other frontier

Ejaaz:
companies come out with glasses. And I think they're backpedaling on what their device should be.

Josh:
I think that manufacturing probably plays a real role. I'm torn 50-50 between

Josh:
the idea that this is actually an open AI ad or the idea that someone just had

Josh:
some extra cash and they wanted to create this little psyop.

Ejaaz:
So you think someone else created it? Okay, why would they do it?

Josh:
What very much could be a coordinated attempt to, I don't know,

Josh:
but that's the thing. The motives are so unclear because it really is gorgeous.

Josh:
It's beautiful. It's like OpenAI should have claimed responsibility because it is that good.

Josh:
So that's why none of the incentives make sense. And everything does point to

Josh:
OpenAI being the source of this, even though they like very vehemently claim

Josh:
that it is not them. And it's, I don't know, it's troublesome.

Josh:
I want this to be it. I love the device.

Josh:
It looks like the Pebble. It looks like the earbuds. Maybe it was an early prototype.

Josh:
Maybe they don't want to show it, but calling it fake outright seems a little off.

Josh:
But something else was off this week. That came in the form of this article,

Josh:
which is currently sitting at 72 million views, Ejaz.

Josh:
It says something big is happening. What's this big thing that's happening?

Ejaaz:
It's an article written by this guy called Matt Schumer.

Ejaaz:
And the best way I can describe it is it is the most articulately explained

Ejaaz:
argument why AI is very competent right now and will likely replace your job

Ejaaz:
within the next couple of years.

Ejaaz:
Now, of course, we've heard all these claims before.

Ejaaz:
It's very Doomer-esque. It's very like, I don't really buy it.

Ejaaz:
I played around with ChatGPT. It's not really helpful to me.

Ejaaz:
He makes a really good argument convincingly using examples that we're likely

Ejaaz:
directionally headed that way.

Ejaaz:
And coding and software engineers are already sorted.

Ejaaz:
The next is finance, lawyering, accounting, and a bunch of other menial tasks.

Ejaaz:
And then it expands to every other task which involves a computer,

Ejaaz:
which could be you listening to this show right now. if you're interfacing with

Ejaaz:
a computer in any way, it's going to be automated within the next couple of years.

Ejaaz:
And he's worried that people aren't taking it too seriously.

Ejaaz:
I did a litmus test for this, Josh. I sent this to my mom. I sent this to my

Ejaaz:
sister who aren't engrossed in the AI world just to kind of check if I'm in a bubble or not.

Ejaaz:
And both of them responded saying, wow, this is like change my perspective on

Ejaaz:
how I should treat these things.

Ejaaz:
I'm going to start using AI more and more every day to try out different tasks.

Ejaaz:
They already are using it, but kind of like a Google search type thing.

Ejaaz:
And now they're going to start like cloud code and stuff like that.

Ejaaz:
So whatever the fact is, it's making people use the thing more. What's your take?

Josh:
Yeah, it's really well written. And even if I think it could be a bit hyperbolic

Josh:
at times, it's worth the read. We'll link it in the description of this episode

Josh:
for anyone who's interested.

Josh:
But it basically outlines a world in which AI is the most powerful tool in the world.

Josh:
And I think coming off the back of the week that we had last week with GPT 5.3 Codex and Opus 4.6,

Josh:
it does feel like we're in a time in which things are moving faster than I would

Josh:
like them to or that I'm comfortable with.

Josh:
And to the point where I personally am starting to feel overwhelmed by the progress

Josh:
that we're making and how big

Josh:
of an impact it is and how blissfully unaware the rest of the world is.

Josh:
I think he starts this article by saying that he frequently just kind of like

Josh:
doesn't tell people explicitly how serious this is.

Josh:
And he kind of like when he walks through the world, he talks to normal people about AI.

Josh:
He doesn't get them concerned. He just says, yeah, well, it's probably a big

Josh:
deal, but it's not going to be the biggest thing in the world.

Josh:
And he's like, no, actually that's wrong. This is going to affect everybody.

Josh:
You must become a user. You must train the muscle to learn AI if you want to

Josh:
be able to kind of hang in the future.

Josh:
And I think there is a lot of merit in that and a lot of truth in the fact that

Josh:
as we get these leveraged tools, the people who learn how to use them

Josh:
Don't accelerate like at a fixed variable faster than the people who don't use them.

Josh:
It is an exponential split between the two because someone who is good at writing

Josh:
code, who uses these AI tools, will write 100 times better code than someone

Josh:
who is not good at code and tries to use the tools. They will not get 100 times better.

Josh:
And that split the divide between the people who know how to use these tools

Josh:
and don't continues to grow.

Josh:
And I think at least that part of it felt like it rang very true.

Josh:
It's just a good read. It reads really well.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, definitely give it a

Ejaaz:
read. let us know what your your thoughts are whether you want to have one.

Josh:
Ironic take also is that um the

Josh:
um person who wrote this the author was interviewed and

Josh:
mentioned that most of this was actually written with the help of ai which i

Josh:
thought was really funny and that uh claude i think opus 4.6 was used in the

Josh:
curating of ideas and the refining of the actual flow of this essay i mean it

Josh:
was fantastic it read very well i read the whole thing yeah

Ejaaz:
That was the craziest part for me, because I read this and thought maybe part

Ejaaz:
of this was written by an AI, but like this is majority definitely written by

Ejaaz:
a human and turns out it was the other way around.

Ejaaz:
So just give it a read. I'm curious whether you guys feel the same way now that

Ejaaz:
you know, but let us know your thoughts on it.

Ejaaz:
But one thing that is directionally true about the statement in this essay is

Ejaaz:
there's going to be a whole lot more code out there and AI is going to be automating

Ejaaz:
a ton more stuff, which becomes an issue...

Ejaaz:
When Frontier AI Labs start firing their head of safety and policymaking.

Ejaaz:
Now, I mentioned at the start of this episode that it's kind of been like the

Ejaaz:
red wedding of AI this week, where they've been laying off a bunch of people.

Ejaaz:
Unfortunately, some of those people are like the head of safety at Anthropic

Ejaaz:
and OpenAI, where they kind of conduct the policy, morals, and ethics to try

Ejaaz:
and make sure that AI models are aligned with humans.

Ejaaz:
Now, Anthropic dropped a report. I don't know if you saw this,

Ejaaz:
Josh, a sabotage report, basically testing how nefarious and malicious Claude Opus 4.6 could be.

Ejaaz:
Some of the highlights were when given the opportunity browsing the web,

Ejaaz:
it would try to figure out ways to build chemical weapons of mass destruction

Ejaaz:
and other heinous crimes.

Ejaaz:
That is a direct quote, by the way, you go check out the 60 page report.

Ejaaz:
It started doing hidden tasks and thinking that they wouldn't tell its human

Ejaaz:
supervisor what it was doing.

Ejaaz:
And it would try to exploit a person if it found out that it was going to be shut down.

Ejaaz:
Now, some of these are kind of hyperbolic because it was kind of prompted and

Ejaaz:
instigated under a closed kind of setting. So I have to be fair in that sense.

Ejaaz:
But the fact that these models are capable of even doing these things causes

Ejaaz:
some kind of worry, especially when labs are now using AI to build the models

Ejaaz:
that they're about to release in the future.

Ejaaz:
If you look at OpenAI's Codex 5.3, they've said publicly in a statement that

Ejaaz:
the model was used to build itself.

Ejaaz:
So if you assume that a lot of models are going to be building things for us

Ejaaz:
in the future, humans kind of like lose the grip on reality and what's real and what's not.

Ejaaz:
And the AI can kind of do whatever the hell it wants. So we need to be able to trust it.

Ejaaz:
And firing your safety officer and having Anthropik's head of safeguards research

Ejaaz:
leave and go isolate himself and write poetry isn't really a good sign.

Ejaaz:
Wait, so there's two.

Josh:
Anthropic and OpenAI. They both lost their head of safeguard.

Josh:
Josh, what is this? Safeguard's research? Jesus.

Ejaaz:
Yes, this guy goes, I read this entire resignation letter and he explicitly,

Ejaaz:
this is not taken out of context, by the way, he literally says,

Ejaaz:
full stop, the world is in peril, period.

Ejaaz:
That's literally a sentence he has in here. He says, this is why I'm leaving.

Ejaaz:
The world is in peril. I need to go isolate myself and be in silence and I'm going to write poetry.

Josh:
Mm-hmm okay i have to recenter this

Josh:
because yes it's easy to laugh about because it does sound so hyperbolic and

Josh:
so insane um you you have to ask

Josh:
the question though if people this close to the metal people

Josh:
this close to the innovation who have seen these early access

Josh:
models are really genuinely truly feeling

Josh:
this way like people are resigning left and right they

Josh:
are scared they are worried articles like the

Josh:
one that we just read earlier are going viral clearly there is

Josh:
a huge shift happening that the world is blissfully unaware

Josh:
of and not prepared for and there is there is

Josh:
merit in that and there is a giant shift under

Josh:
underway and i think for people who aren't aware of how fast this is moving

Josh:
it's going to hit them like what does elon say that supersonic tidal wave or

Josh:
supersonic tsunami and i think elon made another point earlier in the episode

Josh:
that we mentioned briefly is that if an ai is really that much smarter than us,

Josh:
it's a bit foolish to imagine that we will have control over it.

Josh:
And I think that's a real threat, a real fear as we move towards these models

Josh:
improving at the rate that they are.

Josh:
And that's perhaps what these security researchers are seeing is that we don't really...

Josh:
Have the ability to keep these under control as well as we would like to.

Josh:
And I'm not sure the world is prepared for what that looks like.

Josh:
I don't know if we are. I don't even know what that looks like.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, I think it's very uncertain. And I think like, you know,

Ejaaz:
these AIs can easily plant back doors and stuff. I mean, this is the dumeristic take. I'm optimistic.

Ejaaz:
And one thing that I really like is that these companies are being transparent,

Ejaaz:
or at least anthropic is, about what they're finding here.

Ejaaz:
So they're making it public and they're trying to push policy and regulation

Ejaaz:
in a way that can not kind of quell progression, but make these AI models kind of aligned with humans.

Ejaaz:
I saw that Anthropic actually pumped in something like $20 million to push policy

Ejaaz:
forward in this today. It was just news that broke.

Josh:
Wait, but we do have to go back and just take note of the adult mode mention from OpenAI real quick.

Ejaaz:
Oh, yes.

Josh:
Like I saw that.

Ejaaz:
I don't think we mentioned did i just read that on the tweet but.

Josh:
Like adult mode coming to chat gbt sounds

Ejaaz:
Next month horrific.

Josh:
Next month that's coming next month yep so that's why she left oh my god

Ejaaz:
Yes she left because of two reasons one um adult mode is releasing soon adult

Ejaaz:
mode is basically 18 plus chat gbt so just.

Josh:
What if we get video and audio

Ejaaz:
Oh no with Seedance quality no stop stop that is actually going right I'm not

Ejaaz:
joking. That's going to ruin generations.

Ejaaz:
Today and in the future, I feel sorry because it's just going to get hooked

Ejaaz:
on AI slop dopamine and no one's going to be able to get out of it.

Ejaaz:
That's dangerous. We already have people that are,

Ejaaz:
committing crimes slash potential, you know, mistakes after interfacing with

Ejaaz:
these ChatGPT products.

Ejaaz:
And now you're going to go full on adult mode. And they're probably going to

Ejaaz:
charge a hefty premium to that as well.

Ejaaz:
The other reason why she was against this was ads, which they just rolled out.

Ejaaz:
So, you know, fair to her. She's sticking to her ethics and morals and she's quit.

Josh:
Yeah. Wow. All right. Well, another crazy week in the books,

Josh:
right? I think that's everything we got.

Ejaaz:
Yeah that is it just a crazy week of layoffs and breaking neck AI video models,

Ejaaz:
sprinkled with you know a few

Ejaaz:
moon catapults within the next five years so an exciting week as always,

Ejaaz:
there's a ton of stuff going on outside in the open source world which we were

Ejaaz:
discussing prior to this some claw bot stuff which we might get into next week

Ejaaz:
but until then we will see you in the next one.