Limitless: An AI Podcast

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Last night, a rocket left Earth carrying four human beings towards the moon,

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which hasn't happened in 53 years.

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In 1972, back the last time we did this, the computer that landed Apollo 11

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on the lunar surface ran on 43 kilohertz.

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That's less processing power than the chip inside of a $5 USB-C cable that charges your iPhone.

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And they landed on the moon with it. Last night, the most powerful rocket NASA

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has ever built, standing taller than the Statue of Liberty, launched four astronauts

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into a 10-day loop around the moon.

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We're not going to the surface. We're just going to fly by, take some photos,

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and then come back home. And I got to be honest, this is incredibly exciting.

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I sat there all day watching the live stream. I cheered them on as it took off.

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But it's a little embarrassing because we're not even reaching the point in which we left off

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a full generation ago. So there's a lot to unpack here with this mission,

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how amazing it is, how impressive it is, what it enables with the future partnerships

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with companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin, and also how it kind of, to some extent,

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was just a colossal waste of money.

Josh:
So there's a lot to unpack here, EJS. But to start with, oh my God, this is amazing.

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We're going back to the moon and the astronauts are currently,

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as you're listening to this, flying into space, getting ready to orbit around the moon.

Ejaaz:
I had friends yesterday that I hadn't spoken to in like months message me and

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be like, dude, are you watching?

Ejaaz:
Did you know we're launching like people to the moon again?

Ejaaz:
People were just like encapsulated by this entire thing. I think a bunch of

Ejaaz:
people all over the world were watching this stream.

Ejaaz:
And it's nuts. The mission is nuts. It's 10 days.

Ejaaz:
We're sending four astronauts around the moon. So, you know,

Ejaaz:
again, we're not landing on the moon, but we're going further than any space

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mission has gone before.

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4,700 miles to be specific, a 10-day mission. Right now, the crew are being

Ejaaz:
propelled around Earth using Earth's gravity, and they're going to be launched

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towards the moon in about, I believe, a day and a half from now.

Ejaaz:
They're going to reach the moon six days after that, traverse it for about,

Ejaaz:
I believe, maybe half a day or so.

Ejaaz:
They're going to view the dark side of the moon, and then they're going to come straight home.

Josh:
And there's a lot of firsts for this, too. This is the farthest away humans

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will have ever been from Earth.

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By a couple extra thousand miles, but still the furthest away they've ever been,

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there's also going to be a new record happening upon re-entry where this is

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going to be the fastest humans have ever moved before at 25,000 miles per hour on re-entry.

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And this is thanks to the free launch trajectory that they get from this mission.

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So basically what happens is we send these humans,

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up into the low earth atmosphere. We whip them around earth and then send them out into deep space.

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The gravitational pull of the moon pulls them into its orbit,

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wraps them around the backside and shoots them right back to earth totally for free.

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No additional propulsion needed. And I have a post here that kind of walks through

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the highlights, right? We have 252,000 miles from earth.

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These astronauts are going re-entry at 25,000 miles per hour,

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incredibly hot, incredibly fast and scary.

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And then it just kind of shows the trajectory of this, which is, it's really amazing.

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It's something that has been discovered in the past. I believe they've even

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done this exact trajectory, a very similar one, but just a little bit further

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this time and a little bit more exciting because it's happening in real time.

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We have computers that can live stream. We have real-time video feeds of these

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astronauts and we get to actually watch and participate in this pretty unbelievable

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thing that's happening.

Ejaaz:
So I've been watching the live stream since yesterday and there's

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a tracker which tells you how far away from earth they

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are right now and just as of recording it's around 50

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000 miles now if you're wondering how far away

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that is that's around four earth's diameters away

Ejaaz:
from us so they are a long long way uh away from home but the live cast is still

Ejaaz:
going on and people are generally just pumped about this josh um there was a

Ejaaz:
hilarious video um where a cnn report i believe asked this kid hey um you know

Ejaaz:
why are you here Why are you here to watch the launch? And his response was pretty hilarious.

Josh:
Why do you want to be here? Why do you love space?

Ejaaz:
Why do you love being a part of history? We're going back to the fucking moon.

Josh:
Hell yeah, brother.

Ejaaz:
That's how I felt. That's how I felt. We're going back to the damn moon.

Ejaaz:
Now, that sounds amazing. But when you put it into context as to when our last

Ejaaz:
moon mission was, and there's been quite a few.

Ejaaz:
We've put about, I think, 11 or 12 people on the moon. We've been to the moon,

Ejaaz:
maybe 12 people. and we've been to the moon maybe, what was it, three times or so?

Ejaaz:
You know, all American manned missions.

Ejaaz:
I asked the question, why has it been 53 years since we've been back?

Josh:
That's a great question, EJ. And here's a timeline that should make you moderately

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uncomfortable. Because in 1969, Apollo 11 landed on the moon.

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We walked on it, planted a flag, and came home. Three years later,

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Apollo 17, Gene Carman becomes the last person to walk on the moon.

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And his final words on the surface, We leave as we came, and God willing,

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we shall return. Well, God was apparently not willing for 53 years because it

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has been a very long time.

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And it's funny. Like I mentioned in the intro, we did that on a computer that

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only ran 145,000 lines of hand-optimized code.

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It was 1,100,000th the power that sits in your iPhone in your pocket and 350

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times more than, you know, those TI-84 graphing calculators you used in high school? Yeah.

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It's 350 times more powerful than that. And we landed on the moon twice.

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So clearly there has been this disconnect in progress between then

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and now but nonetheless we are headed back

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and this does actually begin to open up

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the door for why this actually matters i mean this is fun we're learning we're

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doing science experiments like testing for radiation out in deeper parts of

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space but the reality is is that this is mission number one on a multi-step

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plan towards actually colonizing the moon building a lunar base on the moon

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thanks to companies like spacex.

Ejaaz:
This is where I kind of want to transition into the numbers because they sound

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impressive. It's a lot cheaper than it used to be back then. So that's one win.

Ejaaz:
But when you compare it directly towards a company like SpaceX,

Ejaaz:
which is using groundbreaking technology and cutting the cost down to a fraction

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of what this mission cost, it starts to look pretty bad on NASA and on this

Ejaaz:
space mission in particular.

Ejaaz:
Now, the headline number is $4.1 billion. dollars.

Ejaaz:
That's how much it costs to launch this rocket and man this mission.

Ejaaz:
And, you know, it's understandable. There's a lot of bureaucracy in the government.

Ejaaz:
There's a lot of mouths to feed and jobs to pay. But the fact that SpaceX can

Ejaaz:
do this for $10 million, and hey, if they blow the rocket up,

Ejaaz:
what is it, like $40, $50 million, Josh?

Josh:
Yeah, so the way it works is, I mean, reusability is a big thing,

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but even in the absence of it, it is a huge delta.

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So like you mentioned $4.1 billion per launch for the SLS, which is this Artemis II mission.

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The total mission cost, by the way, about $93 billion.

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So quite a bit was spent on this. For Starship,

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it can launch for about $100 million. And that's if the Starship rocket blows up.

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So if Starship explodes, the total cost to build in materials is about $107 billion.

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If it does land, which they're planning to do just in a couple of months,

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that cost goes down to $10 million.

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From $10 million to $4.1 billion per launch.

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And actually, EJ, if you scroll a little bit further down in this article here,

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there's a visual that shows the difference in size too as it relates to payload.

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And Starship is a monster compared

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to nasa's sls it sits i want to say 25 30

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taller it has much more payload capacity it is

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just a far more impressive rocket and the fact that

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it costs a fraction of a percent less than

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one percent to launch and it can be reused and it can be overflown again and

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again and again it's a testament to the gap that has been built between i guess

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government funded industries and private industry and part of the reason is

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the the contracts are such a nightmare when nasa builds these things.

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They use it, they build them based on cost plus contracts, meaning that.

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The company decides a cost. They mutually agree on how much something is going to cost them to make.

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And then they add a fixed rate on top of it. So they get a premium.

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So Lockheed Martin says, this piece is going to cost a million dollars.

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Well, cost plus means, well, NASA will pay you a 20% premium on that.

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But there's no incentive for them to bring it down because the premium gets

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higher as the cost goes higher. So there's all the incentive in the world to

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make these things incredibly expensive.

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Where SpaceX, a private company that does not use our taxpayer dollars to fund

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its launches, has every incentive in the world to remove the costs.

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And that's why you get this thing called the Idiot Index, which is the delta

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between the cost of materials versus the actual cost it takes to get these things into orbit.

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And the Idiot Index on NASA's SLS is pretty freaking high.

Ejaaz:
I'm starting to think that this entire mission should just have been handled and managed by SpaceX.

Ejaaz:
I'm pretty sure the future missions, which NASA is going to enable putting people

Ejaaz:
on the moon and setting up a moon settlement, is going to be enabled by SpaceX.

Ejaaz:
There is no are the way that they can do it. They need reusable rockets.

Ejaaz:
They need cheaper costs to get into outer space and to the moon and back.

Ejaaz:
Now, I know they say never judge a book by its color, but I'm going to judge

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these two ships directly together. Star Trek.

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25% taller. It is two times heavier. It can take 4x more payload than this current rocket.

Ejaaz:
It is completely reusable and both stages are designed for reuse.

Ejaaz:
So the point I'm trying to make here is I think that NASA taking 53 years is

Ejaaz:
kind of a big discredit towards the agency and what they've achieved.

Ejaaz:
Not to discredit that the mission itself is very impressive,

Ejaaz:
but I think the future is going to be with companies like SpaceX that is able

Ejaaz:
to lower down the cost for things like this and produce better efficiencies

Ejaaz:
versus what we just watched yesterday.

Josh:
Yeah, it's totally right. And it's so important not to discredit what's happening

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here because this is amazing, right? It's like we do have humans that are on

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their way to the moon right now built by an unbelievable engineering team that did this.

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It's not their fault. A lot of these people weren't even alive 53 years ago.

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They are doing their best to get these people to the moon and they're doing

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a great job. The mission so far outside of that one little toilet anomaly has been a wild success.

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Everything is working really well and that serves a tremendous amount of credit.

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But like you mentioned, SpaceX is just far superior and we're going to see that

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handoff happen as we progress through this artemis program so artemis 3 which

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is scheduled for mid-2027 so a year from now uh the crew is going to test docking

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with the spacex starship or perhaps blue origin but i would imagine that spacex

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is probably going to win over that contract there's no.

Ejaaz:
Way bezos gets this no way

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Unlikely unlikely but possible they have the

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option then artemis 4 is the big one that's happening in

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early 2028 and that's when we are targeting for the first lunar

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lander to actually land on the moon with human beings inside so spacex is probably

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going to be handling that one that's coming in two years and then just a little

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bit later in the year in the second half of 2028 there's going to be a second

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crew landing planned in which nasa is going to target twice per year landings

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on the moon going forward.

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And this is going to begin the production and the building of our lunar Mars

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base, which is really cool.

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I mean, NASA's administrator, Jared Isaacman, he's the new guy.

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Everyone loves him. He's amazing.

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He announced a $30 billion decade-long plan to build a permanent lunar outpost

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on the South Pole of the moon by 2036.

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So the Artemis launch today, while we may have some choice words to say about

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it, is very much the gateway to a lunar base.

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And this is step one in a multi-step process that's going to happen.

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And they're going to bring in SpaceX.

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They're going to bring in Starship. The costs are going to decrease.

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It's just, you know, it took a little while to get here.

Ejaaz:
I think it's also important to set the context as to why on Earth we have two

Ejaaz:
major companies or agencies trying to land humans and set up a supplement on the moon itself.

Ejaaz:
Elon has his own specific reasons for SpaceX. He wants to get closer to the sun.

Ejaaz:
He wants to train AI with data centers out in space and harness sun's energy

Ejaaz:
and turn us into a Kardashev 2 or Type 2 civilization.

Ejaaz:
With NASA, it is part of that, but they've also realized that some parts of

Ejaaz:
the Moon is potentially habitable.

Ejaaz:
You know, they've found or confirmed water on the South Pole.

Ejaaz:
They've got drinkable water, breathable oxygen. And one of the reasons why this

Ejaaz:
is so important is it gives us more access to resources that we didn't have

Ejaaz:
access to before, more space.

Ejaaz:
And also, it's easier to manufacture things with one-sixth of the gravity of Earth.

Josh:
Yeah, well, it's also, I mean, mass driver, dude, we're, we're doing AI in space.

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Don't forget that. So the plan for, I mean, space extensively is to help build

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this Mars base, but also to build that mass driver that we talked about in an episode prior,

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which is a way of distributing satellites into orbit very cheaply and very quickly

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and harnessing a lot more energy.

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There's essentially unlimited free energy on the moon because we're able to

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capture all of it via solar and when you apply that at scale it's it's a really

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amazing way to begin to scale.

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Intelligence energy capture we start to build these mini

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dyson storms because the cost per satellite becomes so low

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and this is going to happen over this phased structure they

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have like phase one which is happening through 2028 they're planning 25

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launches 21 landings to deliver 4 000 kilograms

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of equipment that's going to include like rovers

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drones communication systems things of the nature phase two

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happens in the following years between 2029 and 2032 where

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they're going to start building power systems and communications and

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habitat modules where humans can actually live on the moon for weeks

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or months at a time phase three happens just after that

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which is 2033 to 2036 which is

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the fully operational lunar outpost so this happens fairly

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quickly a decade from now there's a very high probability

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that's or i guess not very high there's a

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strong probability that we have humans permanently stationed on

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the moon with rocket chips that go back and forth on a regular basis and we

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see it doesn't take that long this whole mission for these astronauts takes

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10 days if you go direct i think it's way less than that it's probably half

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or something um so the moon is going to change a lot and this is very much the

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gateway mission that enables that that change to start happening.

Ejaaz:
That still is almost a decade away. And I want to bring us back to the mission

Ejaaz:
that's happening right now.

Ejaaz:
We've talked about a lot of impressive things. The tech, the ship itself,

Ejaaz:
the crew, very accomplished. But I want to talk about the thing that impressed me the most.

Ejaaz:
The menu that they have for the next 10 days. Oh boy.

Ejaaz:
Artemis 2 crew menu was leaked. And they have 189 unique menu items.

Ejaaz:
They also have spice levels for those who prefer spicier versus something more

Ejaaz:
milder. And I have to say, this is more impressive than any space mission or

Ejaaz:
arguably anything that I eat on a daily basis at my local restaurant,

Ejaaz:
my neighborhood restaurants.

Ejaaz:
We've got coffee, green tea, mango, peach, smoothie, chocolate breakfast drink.

Ejaaz:
I've never had that before.

Ejaaz:
Apple cider, pineapple drink, cocoa, strawberry bread. Like that's just a drink

Ejaaz:
section, by the way. Then you've got common food items.

Ejaaz:
This seems like a lot for 10 days, but it is my favorite ever thing.

Ejaaz:
You've got to keep the crew happy. I don't think the space station has this

Ejaaz:
variety of different things.

Ejaaz:
Five Canadian products by the way I just want to point out it's not just all America but

Josh:
I love this. And to my understanding also, this is the first time there's like

Josh:
a fully functional toilet bowl in a spacecraft. So that's pretty...

Ejaaz:
Questionable.

Josh:
Okay, questionable. Why do you say questionable?

Ejaaz:
Well, the good news is that we launched with everyone being saved.

Ejaaz:
The rocket did not explode. Thank goodness.

Ejaaz:
The bad news is almost immediately the toilet got clogged. It got throttled

Ejaaz:
and they couldn't use the toilet.

Josh:
Wait, did it get clogged? It didn't get clogged.

Ejaaz:
It got they're troubleshooting the toilet um what does that tell you josh i

Ejaaz:
don't know but the important update is it has finally been fixed so the people

Ejaaz:
will be able to reuse the toilet but the question i have on my mind is what

Ejaaz:
would they have done if that was you know unfixed

Josh:
You know i'm actually not sure how astronauts use the

Josh:
bathroom in space generally speaking so that's gonna have to be some additional research

Josh:
we do after that perhaps if you know you could leave a comment so i

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would be curious i think the menu is very funny um i

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they need to be careful tread lightly because we know that toilet's a little fickle so

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don't go too overboard on the menu but i think it's fun right it's like

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if you're gonna blow all this money do it have fun

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like make it entertaining make it fun and exciting for

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the astronauts make it fun for everyone to watch and i

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think that's what's really interesting about having the live stream is that we

Josh:
get to watch and participate this participate in this in real

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time as it's happening now i do have some choice comments about the

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live stream they were standing on the launch pad and i

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was looking into the cockpit and it looks like it was being shot on a potato

Josh:
like perhaps they could have used this spacex partnership to partner with starlink

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that would have been cool to give slightly higher resolution uh imagery maybe

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they did because the image we just watched earlier was pretty good but there

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was this really funny um meme that i saw that showed the cockpits comparison between.

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Spacex and artemis 2 and looking at

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these two it is pretty stark the difference right it's

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like one of these looks like it is from the 1960s and the other one looks like

Josh:
it is out of a sci-fi movie and i think that's another testament to kind of

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where we've come from and where we're going where nasa's very much riding the

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coattails of its history which is unbelievably impressive and powerful and strong

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but it's a new era and they're,

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There is a new kid in town who is building some really badass engineering,

Josh:
some really badass rockets.

Josh:
And based on this photo, like SpaceX, SpaceX looks like what I would imagine the future looks like.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, it looks like something out of the Interstellar movie,

Ejaaz:
you know, where Matthew McConaughey is like, you know, we're going to land this TARS.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, I think it's way more advanced. It's way less cluttered.

Ejaaz:
I think, I hate to say it, but I think there's been a lot of bureaucracy in

Ejaaz:
NASA and in government agencies and putting people focusing on space in particular.

Ejaaz:
I think in that time in the 53 years since we did our last moon mission,

Ejaaz:
private companies have caught up.

Ejaaz:
SpaceX being the prominent one, Blue Origin from Jeff Bezos being probably the one that is in second.

Ejaaz:
I think we're going to start, like when I zoom out, I think that net net,

Ejaaz:
we're going to see more space launches and more space missions.

Ejaaz:
Before we started recording, Josh, I told you, like, I hope one day in my life

Ejaaz:
before I die, I get to go to the moon or into outer space in general.

Ejaaz:
I think that's going to become a reality.

Ejaaz:
Elon is targeting a launch every hour in the next, I believe,

Ejaaz:
five years or within a decade.

Ejaaz:
I can't remember the time span, but that would be awesome. That's something

Ejaaz:
out of Star Trek, something straight out of sci-fi.

Josh:
Yeah, it feels very high conviction to say that you will have the option to

Josh:
go to the moon in your lifetime.

Josh:
And if you want to, you will have the chance to do that. And I think that's

Josh:
a really cool thing that this enabled and this recent focus on space is going to enable.

Josh:
We are very much back into our space era. And this is unbelievably exciting.

Josh:
Like right now, four humans are in a spacecraft hurling towards the moon.

Josh:
And by Monday, they'll fly over the side, which just for a moment,

Josh:
they will see a part of the moon that no human eyes have ever directly seen before.

Josh:
It's really exciting. And this opens up not only the enthusiasm,

Josh:
because this has gotten quite a bit of publicity, but also just the velocity

Josh:
and all of the approvals needed to actually start building and making progress towards the lunar base.

Josh:
SpaceX pivoting from Mars to the moon is really important. There is now a clear

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path to building a lunar base.

Josh:
And what that unlocks is really cool in terms of technology,

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but also just in terms of awe and curiosity and getting excited about what it's

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like to explore beyond the current planet that we've lived on since the beginning of time.

Josh:
And the progress is, it's just so awesome to see. And even though it,

Josh:
sure, it was inefficient.

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Sure, there were a lot of mistakes. Sure, it took us a long time. We're here, we're back.

Josh:
And we are back in a way that is sustainable and durable. And the window is open to do this now.

Josh:
And assuming things continue to go well, assuming there is no catastrophe within

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our country between now and like maybe 15, 20 years from now,

Josh:
Ejaz, you can go to the moon.

Josh:
I'll be able to go to the moon. And it will be very cost effective.

Josh:
Because when you think about the launch costs, I mean, $10 million to send a

Josh:
starship to the moon today, what is that going to cost like a decade from now?

Josh:
Probably significantly less. And I assume it's going to be something like an

Josh:
airplane because at the end, at the limit, that's the only way that this becomes.

Josh:
Sustainable business model is if they are able to do that at a cost that's competitive.

Josh:
And that seems to be the goal. And over the next 10 years, we're going to build something that,

Josh:
is indistinguishable from sci-fi. Like it's really going to start to look like

Josh:
the future. And that is so unbelievably exciting.

Ejaaz:
I remember last year, Elon was speaking about the launch economics of putting stuff into outer space.

Ejaaz:
And he mentioned that there might in the short term be this new type of transportation

Ejaaz:
system for people who want to get to countries quicker.

Ejaaz:
So what he modeled out was going straight up in a SpaceX shuttle and coming

Ejaaz:
down about 44 minutes later in Japan.

Ejaaz:
And so you've done the journey from the US to Japan in 44 minutes,

Ejaaz:
where usually it would take like 13 to 19 hours, depending on airline and flight time.

Ejaaz:
So there are a lot of intermediary benefits that are going to happen with all of this.

Ejaaz:
But hey, I'm so proud of all of this. And as a foreigner and a tourist living

Ejaaz:
in this country, I'm wearing my American flag here.

Ejaaz:
I don't know if you guys can see it, but I'm proud of us.

Ejaaz:
And I'm super excited to see. I hope the mission is successful and hopefully

Ejaaz:
it'll lead to more missions in the future.

Josh:
Yeah, we got to keep but real we got a clap back where it's deserved that uh

Josh:
descriptor that you're saying about spacex that's

Josh:
the vertical takeoff and landing rockets the vetols and i

Josh:
believe the video where they initially pitched that idea is probably

Josh:
close to seven or eight years old and they made a total of zero progress towards

Josh:
that so damn space is hard man and priorities change like spacex was going to

Josh:
build vtol rockets and go to the mars uh now they're going to the moon and nasa

Josh:
hasn't really had the opportunity to go to the moon no they're doing it now

Josh:
so priorities change things shift, but right now we have a very clear trajectory.

Josh:
Jared Isaacman has said, we are going to the moon. We are colonizing it.

Josh:
We are building a lunar base. 10 years.

Josh:
And we actually have momentum. There are astronauts in the air right now and

Josh:
a very clear trajectory to continuing that. So,

Josh:
Really cool. If you're listening to this, chances are they're still in space.

Josh:
You can go to NASA's YouTube channel and watch this live in real time.

Josh:
And it's pretty amazing.

Josh:
You could just see these guys kind of hanging out. They were taking pictures with their iPhones.

Josh:
I think the idea of this is to run some science experiments,

Josh:
sure, but also just to get people excited about space and to make it more relatable,

Josh:
to make it more accessible.

Josh:
And I mean, it's really exciting. So I would encourage anyone to go and check

Josh:
out the live stream, share maybe in the comment section what's most exciting.

Josh:
I don't know, Eijas, any final thoughts before we head out today?

Ejaaz:
I want people's over-under on SpaceX getting us to a moon settlement fully living

Ejaaz:
by 2028 versus NASA doing it themselves.

Ejaaz:
What do you people, folks listening to us think? My bet is SpaceX.

Josh:
Josh, anything? Yeah, I mean, NASA, they already said they're not doing it.

Josh:
It's either SpaceX or Blue Origin.

Josh:
So Blue Origin is doing well. They're really strong in low Earth orbit.

Josh:
They're less strong anywhere else. i think starship is going to i'm almost 100

Josh:
positive starship will be the rocket and perhaps blue origin could do stuff

Josh:
with space station like falcon heavy is doing with the dragon cat how far.

Ejaaz:
Behind is blue origin on spacex now relatively do you think

Josh:
It depends how you measure it

Josh:
but blue origin does not have a starship and

Josh:
okay a starship is really the only thing that matters in

Josh:
space because again the cost of kilogram is is the singular

Josh:
metric that matters and the cost per kilogram of starship

Josh:
is dramatically lower than anything that blue origin has

Josh:
or will have in the near future so blue origin will have

Josh:
the capacity to do specific things it could send satellites

Josh:
into low earth orbit kind of like what starlink's doing they're trying their own thing in

Josh:
fact amazon um just recently purchased yesterday global star telecommunications

Josh:
which is a satellite company to help compete with starlink so there is going

Josh:
to be this competition for low earth orbit in terms of lunar orbits or moving

Josh:
mass further out or moving large amounts of mass so these Starlink V3 terminals

Josh:
that are coming are huge.

Josh:
Blue Origin cannot carry those, but SpaceX and Starship can. So there's going to be.

Josh:
I wouldn't say Blue Origin is behind in the sense that they're behind on getting

Josh:
to orbit. They're just behind on getting mass to orbit, large amounts of it at a cheap quantity.

Josh:
And that's what makes the big difference. So SpaceX is very far ahead in that

Josh:
sense. But there's a lot of companies that are now competing.

Josh:
And there's a ton of public stocks that actually have been doing incredible

Josh:
recently in the market over the last few weeks.

Josh:
Because people are starting to realize the space race is back, baby.

Josh:
And it's all America. It's all the USA. all these companies are fighting for

Josh:
getting mass into orbit creating these networks putting stuff into space so

Josh:
it's a really exciting time i'm feeling very optimistic about the future of

Josh:
space travel and i'm glad that everyone's aligned government private industry

Josh:
the people everyone's stoked about this.

Ejaaz:
You would think that AI is like the hottest stock in industry to invest in right

Ejaaz:
now, but SpaceX just filed for a discretionary IPO. So it's happening.

Ejaaz:
They're targeting a June launch and the valuation that they're going for is $1.75 trillion.

Ejaaz:
It'll be the biggest, largest IPO that we've ever seen before.

Ejaaz:
The over-under that I've seen on a lot of websites as well is it's going to

Ejaaz:
be valued above $2 trillion by the close of day on its initial day.

Ejaaz:
So people are excited about space.

Ejaaz:
They realize that there is so much of a bigger opportunity outside of Earth

Ejaaz:
than just constrained to Earth's resources.

Ejaaz:
And I'm excited to see this manifest and become real.

Ejaaz:
Just truly a great day for the world and America in general.

Ejaaz:
I wish the astronauts and the mission the best of success. I'm going to be tracking

Ejaaz:
this for the next six days.

Ejaaz:
Sorry, the next 10 days. There's not going to be anything else I'm going to be watching.

Josh:
That's great. Big week for the optimists, man. Space is back.

Josh:
We are so back. And we got 10 days to enjoy this.

Josh:
250th anniversary of the united states painted on both

Josh:
of those boosters that are going to be burning up in orbit

Josh:
as they return back to earth and it's really cool i

Josh:
mean this is awesome this is exciting it leaves me optimistic i'm curious your

Josh:
takes on whether you are also joining us in the optimism

Josh:
or not but anyways thank you so much for watching

Josh:
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Josh:
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Josh:
you guys so much for watching.