The Limitless Podcast

Ejaaz:
[0:03] So how was your weekend dude.

Josh:
[0:04] It was nice uh one of my best friends got married i was in the wedding it was uh it was hot and sweaty all weekend long it was a good time and the the good and the bad part about weddings is i'm mostly disconnected from the world over the course of the weekend so there is this low level anxiety i'm like okay what am i missing and then i get back to my phone at the end of the weekend on like a sunday night and i'm just like yeah i gotta do a little doom scrolling so what did you what did you do how was your weekend anything noteworthy

Ejaaz:
[0:29] Yeah uh i think i did the complete opposite of that dude i spent the last 12 hours watching the robot olympics i was remote tuning into china baby i was

Ejaaz:
[0:40] watching this entire thing so okay so.

Josh:
[0:41] Please explain yeah okay so this

Ejaaz:
[0:45] Is called the world humanoid robot games and it is the first of its kind think olympics but instead of humans competing across a range of different sports and track events, they're full-on humanoid robots. The first of its kind, they're boxing. As you can see, they're racing on a 100-meter race. They're doing the baton race. They are doing high jump competitions. It is absolutely insane, down to the point where they had this insane opening ceremony. I don't know if you can see my screen, Josh.

Josh:
[1:16] If you're not watching this, if you're just listening to this, I advise you to go on YouTube or Spotify and actually watch this. It's a it's pretty ridiculous it's like everything you would expect from a traditional olympic games except instead of humans there's just these robots that are are shockingly cute and charming and i kind of like them they look very friendly they did a good job of not making them look evil they

Ejaaz:
[1:36] Seem to be like stumbling around a lot josh like they're like i looked at some of the pictures did you.

Josh:
[1:41] I'm gonna

Ejaaz:
[1:42] Pull this up look at this i mean some of the action shots here are insane i mean Okay, firstly, let's level set here. We have this image.

Josh:
[1:51] What's going on here?

Ejaaz:
[1:53] We have an image of a robot, you know, just taking kind of like a refuel session. So, you know, it's charging up. I think the team is like calibrating it to do God knows what. And then we see like some of these robots in full-on action. For example, here where I think someone's going through the middle of like a flying kick in what is presumably the kickboxing event against another robot. So extremely lifelike, except it's not, Josh.

Josh:
[2:20] It almost looks AI generated, right? Like it doesn't even look particularly real. These photos are beautiful, by the way. Like these, these look amazing. The robots look great. I really love this. So maybe, maybe we'll set some context for like what people are actually looking at. So, I mean, you described it earlier. We're looking at the World Humanoid Robot Games. This is the first ever, which is interesting because I think what the modern Olympics started in 1896 or something like that. So it's funny for the last like 130 or so years, we've been competing with humans. And now for the first time, we've moved over to robots. And this was a pretty large scale. There were 280 teams from 16 countries and over 500 robots competed across events like track and fields, soccer, table tennis, boxing, kickboxing. And then there was also my favorite one. There was there's chores like medicine, sorting, material handling, cleaning of clothes and things of that nature. So it was like practical things too. So a robot would be boxing next to a robot folding clothes. And I think I loved

Josh:
[3:15] every part about how they decided to run this Olympics.

Ejaaz:
[3:18] I think one of the more fascinating parts about this is how excitable the humans got. So for context, this happened in China, in Beijing. And so you would expect some of the audiences to be kind of like nerdy and maybe kind of like niche. But from everything I could watch from the live stream, there was like a huge fandom for these things. I was actually quite shocked. People brought their families, people brought their kids, there were kids walking around the track kind of getting like fist bumping these robots getting autographs it was like a a weirdly like human societal thing but with these like largely mechanical robots which i thought was like wild another thing was i'm just gonna be honest i think the fails were more entertaining than the athletic prowess that these robots had josh like i need to show you some of these to give you some context okay so here we have a winner falling down from the medal podium okay cool lost ahead right but surely it can't get any more worse than that right but here we have a very you know prominent participant i think this is robo terror making a dash for the 400 meter race and this is the first of its kind it's it's really keen to make you know some kind of a medal position on this and uh it ends up falling flat on its face.

Josh:
[4:39] It's kind of like this when they collapse They kind of lose their sense of like human physics and it shows the robot physics where when they fall, they just fall and kind of collapse into a puddle.

Ejaaz:
[4:49] Yeah. And in some of the cases, like just obstacles got in the way, as you can see here, like you just have like a head on collision. So all in all, it was a very hacky kind of first attempt at a Robot Olympics. Like, I don't know about you, but when I think about Robot Olympics, I think about these like supercharged Iron Man type looking things that are just kind of like flying everywhere, running faster than any kind of human could ever do and throwing things much further than any kind of humans could do. But this kind of looked like a hacky start. These robots were kind of like ranging from like mini kind of three foot size little kind of like gremlins running around versus these like,

Ejaaz:
[5:30] honestly, these robots like that hit like seven and a half to eight feet tall, right? So rivaling some of these like NBA like basketball players. So overall, a kind of very weird experience, but very, very entertaining.

Josh:
[5:42] I wonder if the enthusiasm is around the novelty or its actual genuine interest in these robots. Because, I mean, for me watching these videos, it is fascinating seeing these things that look kind of vaguely like humans running. And it just, there's something so bizarre about it because you always see this in the movies, but to see this in reality is like a totally different story.

Josh:
[6:01] So maybe it was amateur for the first one, but there were some big wins, right? Like there were some pretty interesting stats, some pretty amazing benchmarks that people won particularly i think one of the biggest races was the 1500 meter sprint basically and unitary actually won and unitary is a very popular humanoid robotics company and they i mean reportedly got six minutes and 34 seconds on the 1500 meter gold which is fascinating because i think the world record for a human is only half of that time it's three minutes 36 so i mean granted this is version one but they are only 2x the speed of the fastest human in the world. And you could imagine by like the second or the third one, surely they will be able to beat this. It's like when you look at these humanoid robots, they look kind of goofy, right? Like they don't quite have their legs under them. They kind of look like they're children.

Josh:
[6:51] And when I think about this, I think of full self-driving. Tesla's like full self-driving autopilot program where at the very beginning when you first start using it and you kind of see the AI thinking almost where it moves kind of slowly. It moves a little hesitant. it's not very confident in its movements and then over the period of time as it kind of learns it gets better it transitions from this this child to like infant to like toddler elementary middle school and then eventually you get to full-blown olympic athlete and i can very clearly see the same trajectory happening here where i mean to get double the record on the first try surely by version three they will be i mean our ass and then i would imagine version five is like what they're just running around for one minute and it's blowing every human out of the water

Ejaaz:
[7:31] We'll put it this way. Even if you're double the fastest human in the world, that's still quicker than at least 80% of the human population who are sitting on chairs like I am looking at a laptop screen and not really exercising that often. Look at this clip.

Josh:
[7:50] What you're telling me is I have about one year until robots can outrun me.

Ejaaz:
[7:53] Well, yeah. It outstrips pretty much everything. I mean, look how quick this thing is going. Look at this video. I wish the listeners can grab a screen sometime soon because the remote control operators for this unitary robot that one gold are absolutely pegging it like look at them behind this robot just absolutely going for it i think the the thing that like surprised me the most kind of stepping back away from this josh is i'll be honest i've kind of been a robot hater i've kind of been looking down on these things i've kind of been thinking, at most, they're going to be living in factories, doing menial work that I couldn't care less about. Folding clothes, putting wrappers on different types of products, and maybe packaging different things. But I never really thought of them as like on a level of other kind of humans, doing human-like casual or competitive activities. And if I did consider them in those cases, I think that'd be good enough. But I'm like, kind of like looking at this and I'm thinking, oh crap, they're going to be quicker than us in about two iterations, as you said, which is at the scale this is going probably a couple of months. So the big takeaway for me is these robots are going to be way more impactful in a much bigger way, way quicker than I thought they were going to be.

Josh:
[9:13] Oh, yeah, this is great because I strongly disagree. I think robots like everywhere,

Josh:
[9:17] everything all the time. And it kind of ties back to the conversation we had. I mean, we just recently announced with Arvind, CEO of Perplexity, about the role that these robots play in the world, particularly in the sense of the browser, where we talked about, well, browser kind of serves two purposes, right? It's leisure and then it's productivity. And I think when I think of robots, I kind of think of the same thing where the things I enjoy doing as a human, well, I want to do that as a human. I want to go hang out with my friends. I want to sometimes drive a car really fast. But the productivity stuff, like the folding the clothes, the going to get your groceries, the cleaning, the doing the dishes and the laundry,

Josh:
[9:48] that stuff I would love for a human to do. And I was really glad to see those featured in this Olympics because those are the practical things that that i want i want to offload the productive parts of my life that seem tedious to humanoids and it seems like even very early version ones are already doing that really well so it seems clear this like this natural trend is moving towards more and more humanoid robots as a form factor but also different form factors there were some other robots that weren't just humanoids but there is one one thing i want to touch on here that i thought was interesting and is worth mentioning it's that not all of these humanoid robots were fully autonomous right so they had they had a little bit of help so you just can you do walk us through like how autonomous was this really because we're seeing the humanoid robots and they look like they're they're running quickly but is there a human actually behind them who's controlling them kind of like an xbox okay

Ejaaz:
[10:38] I think rather than bore everyone with the facts i want to lead with the single most important event at any olympics do you know which one that is josh.

Josh:
[10:47] No fill me in what is the most important event it's

Ejaaz:
[10:51] The 100 meter race of course it's what everyone is.

Josh:
[10:55] Strongly in anticipation

Ejaaz:
[10:56] They are excited about right oh is this.

Josh:
[10:59] Like is this what hussein bolt did when he made the oh yeah okay

Ejaaz:
[11:02] This is a big deal yes.

Josh:
[11:04] Because this is the one that i actually remember

Ejaaz:
[11:06] This is the big one this is the one that you know you might not even be a sports aficionado and you tune in for this race it's where it is eight seven to eight seconds of the quickest stuff you've ever seen and the most high adrenaline fuel thing right so we had the robot equivalent of this and it turned out to be an extremely contentious event because technically one robot unitree which by the way was sweeping up all the other at all the other events as well won first place it crossed the finish line first but it didn't place gold josh it actually placed silver do you want to know how does that work.

Josh:
[11:46] Yes please share

Ejaaz:
[11:47] The reason was tiangong robot which is a different robot company who came in third was autonomous and because it was autonomous and because unitary that technically crossed the finish line first was remote controlled you could technically say that Tiangong was more advanced and therefore it deserved some kind of a handicap or advantage so what the judges gave it was a 0.8 percent multiplier to the time that it took to cross the finish line, which ended up placing it quicker than Unitree's robot. So it ended up getting first.

Josh:
[12:28] Interesting, okay.

Ejaaz:
[12:29] I want to get your first gut take on this. Tell me about it. You said it feels right.

Josh:
[12:33] Yeah, that feels right. I think that's right. I think if you are able to do this fully autonomously, which is the end state of all these humanoid robots, you deserve a premium for that. And it's funny because watching this video, you're watching the robots run, but then you're also watching the humans follow behind them with these controllers,

Josh:
[12:48] like sprinting towards them on the sidelines. It's this really funny, stupid looking thing where it's like, there's a bunch of like Chinese engineers who are just running with these controllers, I guess, manually.

Ejaaz:
[12:58] The most that run in a while. Yeah, exactly.

Josh:
[12:59] So if you're watching like one just finished and then the second one just finished and the second one that's finishing is currently running at like a 45 degree angle sideways, but it finished and it finished like fairly quickly. So I think that deserves a lot of credit where maybe they weren't the straightest, but they got there in the second fastest amount of time and fully autonomously. And that goes a long way with the teleoperation. it's it's very easy i would imagine to to do that like the the physics of a robot like the actuators making it move and fixing the center of gravity as it moves quickly is probably a very challenging engineering feat don't get me wrong I mean, to just have a controller with a joystick and you're just telling it where to go and keeping it center, that is much more, that's much easier than developing the entire full stack. So it seems like they've solved the hardware stack, but I'd argue the software stack is equally as hard, developing that intelligent autonomy. And to do that, I mean, I would even venture to give them an even higher multiple, because if you're able to do that, it's probably worth more than a 20% premium, in my eyes, at least, in terms of what's valuable.

Ejaaz:
[13:56] I okay i want to say i disagree with you josh on this okay just i want to play devil's advocate on this for a second the goal of this event and actually all these events is to run the quickest jump the highest maneuver around the obstacles the best now there's an a bigger question around whether these robots should be completely autonomous eventually i think they should be right? You don't want like a human handler. But for now, I guess my naive gut take is like, it kind of makes sense. I kind of like don't mind if there's a human handler. What I care about is how quickly it is, right? And so the robot that came in third, okay, fine. So what if it ran autonomously in a straight line? Why didn't they build it in a way that it ran faster, right? Couldn't they do both of those things at the same time? Why not focus on the hardware stack if the goal is to to win the race.

Josh:
[14:53] Yeah it's an interesting it's an interesting question because i guess We're getting into why this actually matters. I mean, beyond the memes, like why is this an important event? And I think there's two things, right? One is to kind of show off your engineering prowess as a country or a company. It's to show what you're capable of doing and creating. But then the other thing, and the interesting part to me and why I'm kind of stingy on the software stack of things is because in a way we're kind of benchmarking embodied AI in public. So for software, we frequently talk about like benchmarks. This is how we measure the success of models. So we have GPT-5, we have Gemini, we run them through all these benchmarks, and that's how we kind of say how good they are. Because us as humans, we're not really that great testing because we're not really smart enough at all these areas to keep up. So we just have the smartest people we know create really difficult questions and we benchmark them. And there hasn't really been a benchmarking system for embodied AI in public. So I guess when I heard the robotic Olympics were happening, I hoped it would kind of serve as this embodied AI benchmark. And a big part of that is converging the software stack with the hardware stack into one final package because i mean in my mind at least that's the final form we want these robots to be autonomous you can't just have someone controlling them otherwise it kind of defeats the purpose so that that's why i'm disappointed i think you're totally right in the sense it's not fair to

Josh:
[16:12] Make people run them fully autonomously just yet because we're so early and there just hasn't been enough time to build this software stack and converge it with that hardware stack but man i I hope future iterations, after these engineering teams have had more time to develop the software, there are more strict standards on the software and, I guess, teleoperation metrics that they use that offer these discounts to incentivize people, at least, to build the AI part of it as well.

Ejaaz:
[16:39] Yeah, I agree with you largely on most of that. I think my mind kind of splits into two parallel tracks, Josh, and they are the following. On the one side, I think humans and AI should collaborate and continue to collaborate into the future. That doesn't mean that I don't think these AIs, whether they're in robotic form or software form, shouldn't be independent. But i do believe that ultimately for humanity to survive and achieve its best you know optimal form we kind of either need to merge directly with them and that might be chips in the head or in the brain or we kind of work conducively with these robots and on that side of things i think that's going to be great and therefore you know that supports the human remote controller robot relationship that we're seeing in this like race right and maybe i'm extrapolating too much but bear with me.

Ejaaz:
[17:35] On the other side, you know, we keep on talking about agents on this series, on this show, right? And we keep saying the number one frustrating thing is that the humans need to kind of follow up with these agents. Oh yeah, that code is good. Oh yeah, I'm okay with you buying this thing with my card. Just, you know, I approve it, right? And it gets kind of annoying. I just kind of wanted to do the thing and I wake up in the morning and the thing is done And I feel good about myself, right? So I'm kind of like battling between these two things. And I think ultimately, like there's going to be no black or white outcome, but these things are going to become really more ingrained in our day-to-day life, as well as like kind of like physical competitive sport and other cultural aspects of humanity. And it kind of got me thinking, Josh, around, you know, one of the lead robot kind of creators that, you know, we're stepping aside from like this robot Olympic stuff. And I'm looking at like what other things robots can practically do. These things are getting...

Ejaaz:
[18:33] Really much more agile, right? So we've spoken about these guys before, but figure robots, they're kind of been like one of the leading consumer robotics companies.

Ejaaz:
[18:42] You've got Tesla, you've got figure, you've got Aptronic and a few other things, right? What you're looking at right here kind of gives you a glimpse into what that ingrained robot human relationship looks like, right? You've got a robot in front of you that looks extremely human and is folding your clothes, But it's not just kind of like slapping your clothes around. It's being very delicate. Look at it, Josh. Can you see this? It's pretty insane. And so I'm starting to extrapolate and think about how this relationship gets built out. Actually, I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop at the point where I said, this kind of looks insane, Josh. And if you want to jump in, you go, because I'm waffling a bit.

Josh:
[19:19] Sure. Okay. Yeah. I think, again, like one of the things I really loved the most is that the game showed that robots can sprint, but they can also scrub. They have the perception and dexterity and like kind of the longer horizon planning where their goal isn't just to get to a finish line. It's to dynamically adjust to the thing at hand. And what we're seeing now with figure, which I would argue is probably tied for number one with Tesla right now in terms of just how impressive the humanoid robots are. We're getting this scrubbing. We're getting this, the perception. You're seeing the dexterity. You're seeing the long horizon planning where what we're looking at is a series of towels that are sitting on a table. And the robot's kind of picking a specific towel, it's placing it in front of it, it's folding it, and then it's placing it inside of a basket. And that requires a lot of dynamic thinking and a lot of dexterity on the hands. And it appears to be doing it very gently. So if this was something fragile, it would actually be able to handle that too.

Josh:
[20:11] And this is the part of humanoid robotics that, to me, feels really impressive. It's like when, I mean, to draw again from another Tesla comparison, it's like when Tesla made the Roadster, the first Roadster, the idea was just

Josh:
[20:22] to create this like hardcore smackdown on gas cars. It was to prove a point. And I think the Olympics is very much a same thing where it's to prove a point. It's like, look how fast my humanoid robot can run. But I think, and then the best-selling car in the world wound up being the Model Y. And that wasn't a hardcore smackdown. It was just really good at doing the basics right. And I think what we're seeing with humanoid robots is like, the Olympics are showing, the headlines are like, look how fast this robot ran. Look how strong this robot was. But the reality is, is you just kind of want something that works, that's gentle, that's nice, that isn't too aggressive or intrusive. And it just does the things you want. And that's what we're seeing with figure and this robot right here. And as it's handing off the basket to the employee and goes and walks away. Does that seem right to you?

Ejaaz:
[21:05] Yeah, actually, we're having a conversation with Aaron Tan tomorrow, who is building this robotic startup that is building this kind of like seamless set of robots that you don't notice in your home. They're kind of like furniture. And then when you're away or when you're out of the room, the furniture morphs into like robotic hands that can fold any clothes that are on your bed or do the ironing or stuff like that, kind of crazy, right? And I actually agree and disagree with you on the sense that it's tough to kind of measure what these robots impacts are going to be like on our lives, Josh, because I would say, going back to your earlier point, these benchmarks are much easier to see, right? I can see whether the robot's going to fall my clothes. I can see whether the robot can do the shopping because I'm going to come back home, open the fridge and see whether my shopping is in there, right? It's much harder to gauge on the LLM level, right? When it's more of a vibe, when it's more of a thing. But robots having such a physical capacity to change the world, I think is like a great metric, not just for me to observe, but the rest of society to observe, to really see whether the impact of AI and robots are actually a thing or not.

Josh:
[22:19] Yeah, this is amazing benchmarking because the limit is physics. You are limited and constrained by the finality of physics And you could see that visually right in front of your eyes. And there's something really special about that where it's very clear and obvious. I mean, a lot of large language models, it's very subjective. Which one's best? Because they're like a brain. They're just good at different things. And some are better at other aspects than some. With the physical opportunities i think it is very clear and obvious which one will win and you're you're going to see these companies slowly get closer and closer to these limitations of physics but the thing you mentioned with the the different form factor of robotics and the guests we're going to be having on later this week is that when i saw the robot you're describing which is basically if anyone has seen a bed frame before that has these like pillars that stick up from the corners it's like that except those pillars are robotic arms and the robotic arms can come down on the bed and it could fold clothes on it. And it kind of shattered my perception of what the form factor of these robots can be. I think a lot of times we see humanoid robots. And in the case of these Olympics, we're getting the humanoid robot form factor. And why humanoids? Well, it's because most of the world is actually just built for humans. So we might as well emulate that form and allow them to walk around because we don't have to rebuild the world for these robots to interact with it.

Josh:
[23:33] But there's the case and here we go. We'll share it on screen right now. There's the case for these types of robots there's there's the general purpose but then there's also the narrow band robots that are good for one thing and in this case i mean this watching this video really gets me really excited this is this is doing something to me because this it gets back to the earlier point where like it's just doing the thing that i wanted to do very simply very elegantly and very nicely and when i get home it's just folded and it's not obtrusive they look nice they're multifunctional they're like little light posts and then when i leave they come down and they fold my clothes and it just seems like a really wonderful application so one of the things i'm going to look forward to for future olympics but also just future robots in general is removing the word humanoid from robots and just seeing what we can do with robots period because i think that the form of robot the form that robots will take over time will probably vary much differently than what we perceive and like this this loom product is is example number one of that happening what do you what are your takes on on robots do you have any other form factors that you think are cool that we're not thinking of no

Ejaaz:
[24:37] I i actually think that humanoid looking robots haven't been designed from first principles, And that might be like a hot take, but I think purely making a robot to look human because that's what humans look like is kind of like a weird design choice. And maybe there's much more in-depth thinking. Maybe bipedal type robots are the best ones to kind of move around and navigate

Ejaaz:
[25:03] the world because that's the world that humans have built and that's fair and game.

Ejaaz:
[25:08] However, I think that the best robots that will do the best to start off with are going to be unilateral. I don't know if that's the right word, but what I mean is singular function. So they're going to do one thing really, really well. And this isn't too indifferent to what we've seen with LLMs or AI models, right? Like general AI models are really good at giving you general feedback and information. But where do they excel, Josh? It's at things like coding and specific mathematical formulas and scientific kind of processes and a number of other things, right? They excel at those things, whereas getting it to kind of like the same standard at generalistic kind of intelligence is super hard. That's why the race to AGI is anything but a race, right? It's like a slow moving thing where every update we get is incrementally better, but not as big of a leap as we saw six months ago. And that might still change. And I think the same applies with robots right now. I think we are kind of in the, not GPT-2, but GPT-3 kind of phase. We're at the point where like, these things are kind of blowing our minds and we're like, well, hang on a second. These robots can move quickly. They can form my laundry. I can order one and it's going to arrive in six months. By the way, this is not a shell for Aaron Tan's product, but Josh and I have put our names out on the waitlist and we're hoping to get one soon.

Ejaaz:
[26:28] But, you know, it's starting to kind of like appear in our lives more. But as you said, they're V1. And I have a feeling that we have a few more versions to go until they get really really.

Josh:
[26:37] Good the first principles take is it's a pretty hot take because you're at war with darwinism there for millions of years of evolution designing humans and we're trying to emulate it but i think i think that makes sense for the narrow use cases because humans were designed to survive right now these are designed to fold my clothes and a human is far too large far too energy needy in order to to just fold clothes but that was there was a little bit of drama associated with this post right because it wasn't just the humanoid robot someone clap back, Noah Brown. Noah Brown works for OpenAI, right?

Ejaaz:
[27:07] Oh, yeah. He's not just someone. He's the head of reasoning. He's like the head of reasoning at OpenAI. He had something to say. Yeah, he had something to say. So basically, a lot of robot skeptics think a lot of these startups, these robotic startups, are kind of fake. They're kind of performative. So, you know, you're looking at this robot folding these towels, and he kind of commented sarcastically in response to this video, So does it still work if you raise the table six inches? And so the founder of Figure decided to respond and said, anything else, Noam? And it's this video of the same robot folding these towels. But midway, one of the operators comes to the table and raises it six inches. You're watching that on the screen right now. And as you can see, even whilst he's raising the table, the robot just simply reacts to it. It lifts its elbows up. it doesn't even hesitate, which is super cool.

Josh:
[28:06] And what I found super funny- I love that. Dunk on the pessimists. Make them pay.

Ejaaz:
[28:09] But what I found funny is he took it a step further and absolutely roasted Noah. That's a bad beat. And he pulls up a chart which OpenAI shared during their live stream announcing GPT-5 where they basically committed something called chart crime where they showed a statistic which implied that GPT-5 was so much better than previous models, but actually the bar charts were just drawn up incorrectly and it was actually not that incremental. And he captioned this with, should we raise the middle chart by six inches, question mark? Which I thought was hilarious.

Josh:
[28:46] Yikes. Yeah, not a good look. Listen, everyone's building towards the same future. The OpenAI guys should know better than anyone else. We're building towards an optimistic future. Support the people doing hard work. Support the people who are doing cool stuff. Like this is an impressive feat. They're folding laundry with the human robot about for the first time. He got what he deserved play stupid games win stupid prizes and i think that's that about that so that i think that's a wrap that's the that is the robotic olympics right we just i mean it was funny because i had no idea this was even happening and then out of nowhere i just started seeing pictures of robots fighting each other in boxes and i was like oh all right that's kind of cool shout out to china china is really asserting their dominance in the the robot race they they frequently do these mega drone light shows i'm not sure jess have you ever seen these the drone shows where there's like millions of them in the sky insane and

Ejaaz:
[29:32] Also scary i'm gonna be honest yeah.

Josh:
[29:34] It's like a subtle assertion of dominance right because i mean the implied future of warfare is with drones they're showing off their ability to use drones now they're hosting the place hosting the event where the future of humanoid robots will be spawned out of and i mean hey china's doing their thing and they're letting the world they're letting the world know but i think that that covers it that is our humanoid robot 101 what

Ejaaz:
[29:56] I've learned yeah what i've learned, Josh, is that we need to get out more on a Friday and Saturday night. Well, at least I do and not stare at like robot live streams from China.

Josh:
[30:07] Yeah, but think about it. I mean, five years from now where I'm sitting here, you'll be able to say, yeah, I watched the Olympics where those robots, they were actually slower than humans. Yeah, they were slower than humans and humans still controlled them instead of the robots controlling us. All right. Five years from now, they're going to be teleoperating us.

Ejaaz:
[30:21] Thanks for making me feel better about myself.

Josh:
[30:24] Yeah, there you go. It was time well spent and we got a great episode about it. So thank you for informing all the listeners thank you listeners for listening and sticking with us to the very end of the episode we appreciate it if you enjoyed the episode please don't forget to share it like um just get the word out about limitless we really we enjoy making these episodes a lot of new ai content to come including an interview with that really cool robot maker uh with those crazy looking arms that'll fold your laundry um so there's a lot to look forward to so thank you for listening we will see you guys in the next one and i hope you enjoyed see you guys