Limitless Podcast

Josh:
So since the year 1990 that's 35 years

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ago pretty much everyone who's listening to this both of us we've

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been using an application exclusively for navigating the web

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and that's the browser right we've all used a web browser before whether

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it be chrome or safari or the millions of

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other options that we've used they've all been pretty much

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the same if you look at a browser from the 1990s versus browser for

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today it's really just a url bar and a

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screen and the screen displays the information and that's that's

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how we've interacted with the internet forever but just recently

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thanks to the invents of ai and all these companies

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who are building really interesting applications on top of it we now

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have a new type of browser an ai browser an agentic browser

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that will do a lot of the browser tasks for you

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and that's going to be the topic of today's episode is ai browsers

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it's like the browser you know and love but it is super smart super enhanced

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and we'll do a lot of the tedious work that you normally do all for you ijaz

Josh:
you've been going deep in this world of ai browsers can you can you lay out

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the space how it's working who's involved what it actually means to be an ai browser i

Ejaaz:
Was just thinking about um your comment on we've been using browsers for about

Ejaaz:
35 years do you remember the internet explorer days josh where we had to double

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click this golden or blue e-icon and then kind of wait 10 seconds for it to load.

Ejaaz:
Then we had to manually type in a web address, www.

Ejaaz:
And we've just come incredibly far since then.

Ejaaz:
And yeah, to answer your question directly, I think that this is a natural progression

Ejaaz:
of where AI needs to be in everyone's lives.

Ejaaz:
So to kind of like zoom out for a second, we had this massive explosion when

Ejaaz:
GPT-2 or GPT-3 came to life from OpenAI.

Ejaaz:
And it was this magical moment where we had this kind of like chat messenger,

Ejaaz:
and we could ask the smartest person in the room, that being GPT,

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any question, and it can give us an answer.

Ejaaz:
It can teach us things, it can sometimes do things for us, and connect us in

Ejaaz:
different ways with information.

Ejaaz:
Kind of like how Google did when they created their search engine.

Ejaaz:
It became the doorstep to the internet.

Ejaaz:
You know, it's the homepage. It's the thing that everyone opens when they want

Ejaaz:
to search something, interact and socialize, or even buy something, right?

Ejaaz:
So it makes sense that AI is now

Ejaaz:
coming to where most of the context and personal data around someone is.

Ejaaz:
And I think if I were to zone in on why I'm so excited about this,

Ejaaz:
Josh, is it's exactly that.

Ejaaz:
I think it's the most publicly accessible.

Ejaaz:
Data set for who you are, right, Josh?

Ejaaz:
Like if you if I go on your browser right now, maybe you can share your screen

Ejaaz:
or whatever that might be. I'm going to see a bunch of different tabs.

Ejaaz:
I'm going to see your Spotify playlist that you're bumping tunes to.

Ejaaz:
I'm going to see probably your Amazon list that you're kind of like shopping

Ejaaz:
or shipping items to your apartment, and maybe a bunch of other things.

Ejaaz:
It tells me who Josh is as a person.

Ejaaz:
More so it tells me how he's progressed over the history of time over that day

Ejaaz:
over that week, over the last 90 days with your browser history.

Ejaaz:
So I think embedding AI into the browser experience is that next step up to

Ejaaz:
getting a more personal AI face.

Ejaaz:
Do you agree with that, Josh? Or what are your thoughts?

Josh:
Yeah, I think that sounds right. I am actually a big agent AI browser hater.

Josh:
I think we're going to get into that. I agree that it's very cool,

Josh:
but I'm not sure the actual use cases apply.

Josh:
Before we do go there, I want to lay out the landscape of who's actually making

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these browsers, who is in this space that we're talking about,

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because there's a notable company missing.

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So we have Perplexity, which has the Comet browser.

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We have Microsoft, which has Edge. We have OpenAI, who is probably going to

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launch one. They've signaled the intention to launch one.

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And then we have the Dia browser by the browser company.

Josh:
And notably, the one browser we all use, we're all recording this on right now,

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Chrome, is missing, which is interesting because one of the things that,

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I mean, the reason why Google became so large, one of the big reasons was the

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search engine was Google Chrome.

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And noticeably, they're missing. And when you look at all the search history,

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the revenue from search that Google makes, it's been down only.

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And you would imagine from a search company who's built this browser that is

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the number one company in the world, they'd probably be aiming to build an AI

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browser, but that's not the case. And I think that's probably...

Josh:
In line with what we're going to talk about later, why we don't like it.

Josh:
But I'm curious if you have any ideas why Google is noticeably missing from

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this group of AI browsers.

Ejaaz:
You know what's hilarious? As you were making that point, Josh,

Ejaaz:
I was trying to come up with a counter example, which was going on Google's search engine.

Ejaaz:
And you know, whenever you search something now, you typically see an AI summary.

Ejaaz:
I was going to try and argue that maybe that was an example of them embedding

Ejaaz:
some form of AI in their browsing experience, even though it's not explicitly

Ejaaz:
Chrome itself, but it's not available.

Ejaaz:
I literally can't have access to it. So it seems like they've regressed.

Ejaaz:
To answer your question more directly, I think they're likely going to release

Ejaaz:
it if I had to hazard a guess.

Ejaaz:
And the reason why I say that is they've been so committed to kind of being

Ejaaz:
on the frontier at the AI model level.

Ejaaz:
So Gemini 2.5 Flash is a frontier model that beats OpenAI's ChatGPT and even

Ejaaz:
Claude when it comes to coding and stuff.

Ejaaz:
Google has been so focused on AI agents as well.

Ejaaz:
And they've also been focused on the scientific side of AI as well,

Ejaaz:
which is a realm that none of the other frontier AI labs have even touched.

Ejaaz:
So it kind of seems weird that even though they control 66.5% of the browser market share,

Ejaaz:
it'll seem weird if they don't come out with a product is what i'm saying i

Ejaaz:
don't know i i just feel like it's a waiting game it might come out like next

Ejaaz:
week or something like that totally.

Josh:
Uh-huh we'll see well we both have tried an ai browser we both had access to

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perplexity they gave us access to the comet browser and we had a chance to use

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it for the last week or two and i would love to hear your impressions because

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I used it. I tried it. I have some takes.

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How have you been using it? How have you been liking it? How have you been disliking

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it? Tell me your personal experience.

Ejaaz:
I have a lot to say about this. And I'm keen to actually hear what you say.

Ejaaz:
So you described yourself as an AI browser hater.

Ejaaz:
I wouldn't call myself a hater.

Ejaaz:
But I also wouldn't say this is convincing enough to me to ditch Chrome.

Ejaaz:
And to use an AI browser. So as you mentioned, we're using this new AI browser from Perplexity.

Ejaaz:
Perplexity, for those of you who don't know, is like a supercharged AI search engine.

Ejaaz:
And they released this new product called Perplexity Comet, which is their browser.

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And on this browser, it looks very similar to your Chrome browser or Internet

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Explorer browser. You can have many different tabs. You have a search history.

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You have a toolbar with different settings and stuff. But with one unique feature,

Ejaaz:
which is rather several unique features, which is AI is embedded everywhere you go.

Ejaaz:
That means if you open up a YouTube page, you have a prompt from your little

Ejaaz:
assistant in the bottom right hand corner, which will say, hey,

Ejaaz:
do you want me to summarize this video for you so that you don't have to spend

Ejaaz:
30 minutes watching this?

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Or you can go into a shopping website and say, hey, I can actually sort for

Ejaaz:
you the best deals for what you're looking for, because I read your email because

Ejaaz:
you connected me to your Gmail account. And so I kind of know that your mom

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shared a list of items for your sister's birthday.

Ejaaz:
And I know that you're on Amazon to check what kind of fleece your sister might want or whatever.

Ejaaz:
That's a terrible example. I would never buy my fleeces off of Amazon.

Ejaaz:
But you get the general idea.

Ejaaz:
My high-level takes are as follows. It's great to have an assistant that can

Ejaaz:
summarize long articles and posts for me. And the reason why I say that is I

Ejaaz:
spend a lot of time reading and researching, Josh.

Ejaaz:
We actually do a bunch of that for this show as well, right?

Ejaaz:
And sometimes, actually most of the time, it takes a lot of intense focus and

Ejaaz:
many hours of my day, right?

Ejaaz:
I would say maybe 70% of my working day is spent reading a ton of stuff and trying new things out.

Ejaaz:
This does reduce that now to about 20% to 25%, which is a huge reduction.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, I'm spending much less time doing this. And you and I have been using

Ejaaz:
this browser for about, what, a week now, like as our default browser.

Ejaaz:
So it's been super useful.

Ejaaz:
The second thing is, and this is a smaller thing, but I think it's important.

Ejaaz:
I can finally stop copying and pasting links and paragraphs of text and putting

Ejaaz:
it into whatever AI model provider that I'm using, right?

Ejaaz:
So typically the format is I would copy tweet links or article links and put

Ejaaz:
it in Crock 4 or put it in ChatGPT and then say like, hey, like reference these

Ejaaz:
links, summarize this for me.

Ejaaz:
Give me some other types of insights that I might have missed.

Ejaaz:
And it's just, it seems so small and minor, but not being able to do that is

Ejaaz:
way more convenient for me.

Ejaaz:
And I just kind of like, I love kind of leaning into that.

Ejaaz:
The third thing that stood out for me, Josh, is search is just such a better

Ejaaz:
experience now that I have this AI that's always readily available.

Ejaaz:
It's kind of like Google search, but it understands the context behind what

Ejaaz:
I'm asking it or why I'm asking it.

Ejaaz:
And that's really been an unlock for me. So an example might be I've been researching

Ejaaz:
a specific technique of how to train AI models.

Ejaaz:
This is something I was doing this week where I was trying to figure out how

Ejaaz:
China's open source models were so much better than America's,

Ejaaz:
even though they have less resources and all that kind of stuff.

Ejaaz:
I was trying to figure this out.

Ejaaz:
And I was kind of like writing notes in my Google Doc, which perplexity had access to.

Ejaaz:
I was kind of like writing up some thoughts. And then I opened up a separate

Ejaaz:
tab to search for a specific term. And it already had it preloaded for me.

Ejaaz:
So again, it's like basic little things like this, but I like that it makes

Ejaaz:
me feel comfortable and heard.

Ejaaz:
But that's my take. Well, what about you, Josh?

Josh:
Did you? I've, yeah, I used it. No, I signed up for the, we got an invite code.

Josh:
I signed up. It was the most gorgeous onboarding experience.

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I have ever had. It was designed incredibly.

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You type in your code, it unlocks this really fancy screed, it has nice music

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playing in the background, you choose your profiles, it was gorgeous.

Josh:
And then I opened it up and it's the same as pretty much every other browser.

Josh:
In terms of how I used it, I actually used this example that we have on screen

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right now, which one of the interesting things about the AI browser versus a

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traditional LLM that we would use

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like ChatGPT is it doesn't have all the integrations that a browser has.

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So you can connect this AI browser, or in this case, Comet, to your Gmail and

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and actually have it interact with your email for you on your behalf.

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So this example here and what I tried is I get a decent amount of emails that

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I'm subscribed to from something I bought one time or from a community that

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I used to be part of that I don't really care about.

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And you can just kind of ask it to pull the list of everything you're subscribed

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to, and then choose the ones that you want to unsubscribe to.

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And it will do all of the work of doing that for you.

Josh:
So immediately after a few minutes of trying this and a few prompts,

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I was able to clear out my inbox from maybe 20 of these garbage emails a day

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to maybe just like three or four of the ones I actually want to receive.

Josh:
And that was really cool to me. So in that case, it's really interesting because

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it has the access to integrations that other LLMs don't necessarily have,

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like ChatGPT, like Grok.

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They exist in the silo, whereas this is kind of embedded across the entire browser

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experience. So in that case, it was good.

Josh:
I really enjoyed the browser.

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Outside of that, it felt very much just like a normal browser.

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And it was mostly annoying that I just had to re-log into all my accounts again to do the same thing.

Josh:
So I went to YouTube and I uploaded a video for this channel and I went to our

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RSS platform and I upload and I was doing the normal things I do.

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And what I realized is I really don't

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use the browser for all that many interesting things that require AI.

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When I want to use AI, I go to a tool Optimize for AI to kind of abstract away

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the complexities of having to use a browser.

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So when I want to learn about something, primarily I use Grok for

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that because grok has the live real-time information

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from x which is normally where i consume most of my information anyway

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and i just have it pull all the aggregated data that i

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want for me versus actually going and trying to find it and as i'm going through

Josh:
these use cases of how i use a browser there's less and less that are actually

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interesting i think when people use browsers since the beginning of time they've

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used them for two things right it's like for productivity and for leisure and

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when you're doing work you just kind of interact with these specific apps in the browser.

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So you're using an Excel spreadsheet or you're doing whatever, like uploading a video.

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And then in leisure, you're kind of shopping for something. You're looking through

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clothes. You're watching a YouTube video. You're consuming media.

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And on the leisure end, there's no way that AI can supplement that.

Josh:
And then on the productivity end, well, you kind of want AI to exclusively supplement that.

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And you don't want to have to deal with all these annoying interfaces or scraping

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data or getting that information.

Josh:
So it puts this browser in kind of a weird spot where I was using it for a few days.

Josh:
I was excited about using it for a few days. And then I just kind of didn't

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really have a need to use it anymore.

Josh:
I do a lot of the thinking and the analyzing in Grok. I do a lot of the productivity work in ChatGPT.

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And then I just watch YouTube videos on YouTube using the Chrome browser that's

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worked for the last 30 years.

Josh:
So that's kind of where it's been weird with the AI agents is it seems cool,

Josh:
but I'm not sure there's any sustainable use cases that are very exciting.

Ejaaz:
Do you, do you agree, disagree?

Ejaaz:
Yeah. I mean, last week we spoke about OpenAI's new agent, right?

Ejaaz:
And one of the main takeaways from that episode was, this agent's pretty cool,

Ejaaz:
but it's not really adding much value to my life right now.

Ejaaz:
Sure, I can jump into my Gmail account and read a bunch of my docs, but okay, and then what?

Ejaaz:
Sure, I can research a bunch of clothes that I might want to buy, but then what?

Ejaaz:
It doesn't buy anything for me. And I feel like this is the same type of case here, right?

Ejaaz:
Where you've added a solution to a place where maybe you don't actually quite need it, right?

Ejaaz:
But I want to spend a bit of time arguing what this could be versus what it is right now.

Ejaaz:
Because I agree largely with you that it is not as useful as I'd want it to be.

Ejaaz:
And I really think you make a good point around the leisure side of things.

Ejaaz:
But I want to kind of like think about what this might end up becoming if we

Ejaaz:
imagine that everyone's going to have some form of AI agent or companion in the future, right?

Ejaaz:
So number one, I think the personal

Ejaaz:
AI assistant is going to be a hugely valuable market going forwards.

Ejaaz:
I don't quite know how it's going to manifest.

Ejaaz:
My idea is it's probably going to be on the work side of things.

Ejaaz:
So there's going to be an enterprise-heavy presence of AI agents.

Ejaaz:
And we're already seeing that already, where they kind of like plug into your

Ejaaz:
workspace, your Slack, and they allow you to do a bunch of things.

Ejaaz:
Right now, they kind of suck.

Ejaaz:
But eventually, I'm guessing it's going to get better, and it's going to get more intuitive.

Ejaaz:
The second thing is, there's this trend, Josh, where I think we're stepping

Ejaaz:
away from a lot of the actions that we've grown so used to over the last decade, which is scrolling,

Ejaaz:
searching for different apps, downloading apps,

Ejaaz:
tapping the screen, and typing letters.

Ejaaz:
I think this progression is going to become something more automable where we're

Ejaaz:
going to be speaking into a microphone and we just kind of like look at things

Ejaaz:
or AI guesses what we already want before we even get there, right?

Ejaaz:
There's going to be this like autonomous kind of flow of things.

Ejaaz:
I don't think we're there. I think this is a stepping stone.

Ejaaz:
I do not think browsers right now are like a 10x improvement over what we had before.

Ejaaz:
So I'm with you. Like, I'm just going to use Google Chrome for now.

Ejaaz:
But it's a good shot on goal.

Josh:
To me, if I'm talking to Perplexity's CEO, which we are talking to in a few

Josh:
weeks, I think the idea is why on earth are you spending so much resources in

Josh:
this intermediary step?

Josh:
Because it feels like the end state of this is fully agentic,

Josh:
fully obfuscating away all of the complexities of the browser.

Josh:
You want something, the agent goes out and gets it to you and delivers it to you.

Josh:
And this is kind of this middle ground that isn't quite there.

Josh:
And it's not fully leaning into agent. If we had to compare the agent episode

Josh:
that we had last week to this week, it feels like open AI directionally is actually

Josh:
in a much better position because that agent, you can see an end game there

Josh:
where it kind of stinks now, but it's the right form factor.

Josh:
And it has the ability, it has the openness to do that. Whereas the browser is very constrained.

Josh:
I mean, their entire industry is dedicated to unifying user interfaces across

Josh:
the internet, just so it's easy for humans to do that.

Josh:
And there's so much unnecessary complexity when it comes to this 35 year old

Josh:
interface that was built for a world that is totally different than today.

Josh:
So the constraints that existed in the 90s that we're still using today,

Josh:
they no longer exist. And it feels a little lazy to just keep the same interface

Josh:
and throw an AI agent on top of it when you could really redesign this thing from the ground up.

Josh:
You can really truly have an agent first world that doesn't require you to interface

Josh:
with any sort of browser like this at all. So I think that's the place that I'm

Ejaaz:
Excited to go. What would that look like to you, Josh?

Josh:
Yeah, it's probably either...

Josh:
The earbuds in my ear or the little hardware piece that I have.

Josh:
And it knows everything about me. It spends time with me. It understands what

Josh:
I like to do. It has my whole preference stack.

Josh:
And when I want something or I want to know something, it has all the context

Josh:
to solve the problem for me and it can go and do it.

Josh:
And then in the case there's any clarifying questions, we can clarify,

Josh:
but it's really just a personal assistant that is fully capable of engaging

Josh:
with the world the same way a human would be.

Josh:
And that to me feels like the final form of this agent.

Ejaaz:
So I'm hearing a few things. Number one, you think this is going to be a different

Ejaaz:
form factor completely.

Ejaaz:
So maybe not looking at a browser or maybe not even looking at a screen at all,

Ejaaz:
but maybe it might be some kind of earbuds, as you said, we're kind of like

Ejaaz:
opined on what the new hardware device that OpenAI is rumored to be building

Ejaaz:
with Johnny Ive is going to be.

Ejaaz:
Maybe it's something that sits on your desk and listens and sees everything

Ejaaz:
that you can see. But that's one thing, a different form factor.

Ejaaz:
Number two, it sounds like you're describing a very multimodal world,

Ejaaz:
which I agree with, right?

Ejaaz:
So it's not just something that can understand text, but it's something that

Ejaaz:
can see, that is very visual.

Ejaaz:
It's something that can hear the same things that you hear, and that understands

Ejaaz:
the context of conversations that you're having with other people,

Ejaaz:
or why you do different things in the world, right?

Ejaaz:
So it's kind of expanding from your digital presence to also be aware of your

Ejaaz:
physical presence, right?

Ejaaz:
And then the third thing that I'm hearing from you, Josh, is we're just kind

Ejaaz:
of at that midway point where we kind of have something or we're throwing a

Ejaaz:
bunch of AI slop at the wall and hoping something sticks,

Ejaaz:
but it's not cohesive right now.

Ejaaz:
We just have this like cool AI chatbot and we've slapped it with a bunch of tool access, but

Ejaaz:
it none of the none of the cogs work together none of them match so we just

Ejaaz:
kind of have this really clunky kind of machine am i kind of like painting the picture accurately.

Josh:
Yeah there's two approaches right there's one approach that is the open-ended

Josh:
one that open ai is taking and then there's the constrained approach that perplexity

Josh:
is taking where we're just going to take this browser experience and make it

Josh:
a little bit better and the other side is hey we're just going to throw away

Josh:
the entire browser experience because that no longer matters and we're going

Josh:
to redesign it from the ground up using this new intelligence.

Josh:
And I think that's kind of the fork in the road that I see. And Perplexity has

Josh:
taken one, as well as all the other companies that have made an AI browser.

Josh:
And then I would imagine Google, who hasn't released a browser,

Josh:
is probably considering this.

Josh:
OpenAI has done this. And they're kind of taking the way that feels like it

Josh:
has an end game, where if you apply a lot more intelligence to a browser,

Josh:
I'm not sure how much better it gets.

Josh:
But if you apply a ton of intelligence to an open-ended agent, well,

Josh:
that's scalable to infinity it can get infinitely more powerful

Josh:
it's not constrained to any sort of interface it can build its own it can generate

Josh:
its whatever it needs so just in terms of structurally speaking it feels as

Josh:
if the agent is is the more probable outcome to win whereas a lot of these companies

Josh:
are choosing the easy win quickly which is just oh here's a browser but ai okay

Ejaaz:
I i don't know if i completely agree because i think a lot of these browser

Ejaaz:
experiences are just going to become agentic.

Ejaaz:
And I guess we should define what we're talking about here.

Ejaaz:
I guess a browser experience with AI is you log on to your browser and then

Ejaaz:
there's a bunch of summary tools or an AI search engine embedded in there.

Ejaaz:
But something that's more agentic is something that can not only understand

Ejaaz:
what you're asking, but then perform actions for you all autonomously in a loop,

Ejaaz:
intuitively, maybe not in a loop, but open-ended.

Ejaaz:
It can solve open-ended problems whilst you're sleeping or whatever that might be, right?

Ejaaz:
And I think that eventually every browser is heading that way.

Ejaaz:
And the reason why I'm convinced of this is something that I opened up the video

Ejaaz:
with, which is that it has the most personal data set for you.

Ejaaz:
The reason why OpenAI and ChatGPT is so sticky is because it knows so much about

Ejaaz:
me, in my opinion, right?

Ejaaz:
So I keep going back to it because I'm like, okay, it understands the context

Ejaaz:
of what I'm about to ask it.

Ejaaz:
If you think about it, browser is the next natural moat for that,

Ejaaz:
right? Especially if you're trying to unlock AI that can do things for you.

Ejaaz:
Where do you do most of your things? It's probably on the browser or probably

Ejaaz:
on your phone, on your browser or via an app or whatever that might be.

Ejaaz:
So I'm guessing that's probably where we're headed.

Josh:
Okay, well, we will see. I want to dive into some examples so people who are

Josh:
listening can actually see how they can use this today and what type of interesting

Josh:
things people have been experimenting with.

Josh:
I see you have a couple you've pulled up. Can you walk us through examples of

Josh:
how people are actually using this tech today?

Ejaaz:
Okay, so this is one, I think he's using perplexity on this one.

Ejaaz:
This is actually something that I did. It looked very familiar.

Ejaaz:
So in this video here, he's basically trying to create some form of a travel

Ejaaz:
guide for the city that he's in. He's in Washington.

Ejaaz:
And he's like, okay, hey, I want

Ejaaz:
to go on a walk and see some of the major monuments and blah, blah, blah.

Ejaaz:
Again, like, I feel like you could just Google search this and find like a million

Ejaaz:
different forums that could do it.

Ejaaz:
But I like that it's embedded into the app itself, so that I don't need to go

Ejaaz:
to a forum, find someone's random Google Maps that they're willing to share

Ejaaz:
with me, and then come back to this Google Maps app and it opens it up.

Ejaaz:
Instead, it's all embedded into the application layer, which I like,

Ejaaz:
and it saves me time. Not groundbreaking, but something that's pretty useful, right?

Ejaaz:
We have something here, which is something that I've just seen a lot of the

Ejaaz:
agent demos do, Josh, which is like, hey, I have a cluttering of random emails. Love. Yeah.

Ejaaz:
Please unsubscribe for me, and we can just get on with my life and reduce my

Ejaaz:
spam to basically zero, inbox to zero.

Ejaaz:
And this is something that he demonstrates here. I tried this out as well,

Ejaaz:
and I think you did as well, Josh.

Ejaaz:
And it takes a couple of seconds, right? So you basically, two clicks,

Ejaaz:
you connect PopXD to your Gmail account or whatever email account you use,

Ejaaz:
and then you write a prompt in the search bar being like, hey,

Ejaaz:
I just want to get rid of all my spam emails, and it does all of that subsequently.

Ejaaz:
This is something that I feel like you and I could use sometime.

Ejaaz:
Josh, I didn't actually try this, but creating content ideas for your YouTube channel.

Ejaaz:
The difference between opening up a conversation with ChatGPT and saying,

Ejaaz:
hey, I'm a video creator,

Ejaaz:
can you tell me more about some ideas that I could potentially produce versus

Ejaaz:
this is it actually scans your YouTube page itself whilst you're actually on it.

Ejaaz:
Again, I don't think this is a novel experience because you could technically

Ejaaz:
just copy and paste the link to your YouTube page into ChatGPT, do the same analysis.

Ejaaz:
Maybe it takes three extra clicks or prompts, but you kind of get there at the end of the day.

Ejaaz:
And then this is an example that I keep seeing pop up, Josh,

Ejaaz:
because OpenAI demonstrated it during their live demo for their new agent release, which is,

Ejaaz:
hey can you go through my LinkedIn network accept any

Ejaaz:
kind of requests that you think would be useful towards furthering my career

Ejaaz:
and also maybe reach out to a bunch of people that I might want to connect with

Ejaaz:
in the future it's not quite at that capability it's still kind of like whatever

Ejaaz:
I'm not really shocked by this but I'm guessing it's useful for some.

Ejaaz:
And the final one which is something that Perplexity keeps kind of like talking

Ejaaz:
about is the fact that it has awareness of all the tabs that you have open.

Ejaaz:
I don't know about you, but I have probably around, I'm kind of like taking

Ejaaz:
a scroll here, but like three different tabs open.

Ejaaz:
And they're all pertaining to different things, right? And sometimes I lose

Ejaaz:
tabs or most of the time I just forget about a bunch of tabs and why I need to use it.

Ejaaz:
And they just kind of like remain dormantly open, praying that I reopen them again, right?

Ejaaz:
What we have here is he's kind of like looking for different bike products that he wants to buy.

Ejaaz:
He has a series of tabs open on different windows and all that kind of stuff.

Ejaaz:
And what he does is he just goes to the search, sorry, the chat interface for

Ejaaz:
complexity and puts in his request saying like, okay, right,

Ejaaz:
now I need to figure out what model of bike that I want to buy.

Ejaaz:
What kind of parts do I need for it? I'm going on this particular trip.

Ejaaz:
It's going to be, whatever, 150 miles.

Ejaaz:
Help me sort this out. And it kind of like leads him in a step-by-step process.

Ejaaz:
Again, none of these kind of get me upright in bed.

Ejaaz:
Do you know what I mean? I'm not kind of like, yeah, this and being like,

Ejaaz:
wow, you know what? This is magical.

Ejaaz:
This isn't like an whole iOS moment or, you know, an Apple Watch moment where

Ejaaz:
I'm like, oh, wow, it's a new device.

Ejaaz:
It's a new thing. So, yeah, I'm just kind of like left...

Ejaaz:
Unsurprised i guess.

Josh:
So i guess to wrap this up i have one more question for you which is a year

Josh:
from now what do you think you are primarily using to interface with the internet

Josh:
is it going to be one of these browsers or is it going to be an ai tool like

Josh:
chat gpt like rock like gemini what's

Ejaaz:
The time frame.

Josh:
A year from today what do you think you'll will be more powerful to use i

Ejaaz:
Will not be looking at a laptop josh if i'm looking at a laptop by that time

Ejaaz:
we have completely and utterly failed.

Ejaaz:
So I expect by that time to have some different kind of form factor where it's

Ejaaz:
just my eyes and I see everything that I need to that is digital.

Ejaaz:
I hear everything that I need to. If I want to watch a YouTube video,

Ejaaz:
I kind of like look in a particular direction and it pops it open.

Ejaaz:
I hear it. If I want to call my friend, I'm just one to two taps away from doing that.

Ejaaz:
Or I just say, can you call Josh, please? I need to talk to him about A,

Ejaaz:
B, and C. And it just does that. So it's not a browser.

Josh:
Okay. Yeah, I feel the same way. I don't imagine a world in which browsers are

Josh:
exciting, but I am very excited to ask the person who's making this about why

Josh:
he is investing so much time,

Josh:
energy, effort, money into building this browser, because we are having the

Josh:
CEO for Plexi coming on in a few weeks.

Josh:
We are going to talk to him about exactly this, and we're going to hear the

Josh:
rebuttal from the person who is actually responsible for making this happen.

Josh:
So I know, Ejaz, I'm certainly excited. I'm sure you are too.

Josh:
I cannot wait for that episode. But in the meantime, we'll be dabbling.

Josh:
I'll be trying to find more interesting use cases, more fun things to use the browser for.

Josh:
If anyone else gets an opportunity to try it, please share in the comments.

Josh:
Let us know what you think about the browser. Are we just missing the plot?

Josh:
Is there something that we're not seeing because this is some amazing new tech?

Josh:
Or is it actually just like, well, it's Chrome with like an AI extension built on top of it.

Josh:
So we'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks as always for listening.

Josh:
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Josh:
It's pretty cool. We have a good time here. So as always thank you for watching

Josh:
we'll have another episode coming later this week and we will talk to you guys in the next one